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ISK generation vs ISK sinkage... What is the ratio?
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Defecanda
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2012-01-24 13:18:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Defecanda
Just curious what the numbers are?

Generation:

  • Concord bounties (rats and incursions)
  • Agents
  • NPC buy orders


Sinkage:

  • Brokerage and sales tax
  • Setup costs (PI transfer costs, Sov costs, etc. . . )
  • Clone costs
  • NPC seed purchases (skillbooks & other goods)
  • Insurance deltas

Do any of the developers have these numbers. I am sure there are others in the EVE community that are curious about what the month-by-month ratio is?

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Karl Planck
Perkone
Caldari State
#2 - 2012-01-24 13:22:08 UTC
search the forums, it is well documented but get ready to read.

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Defecanda
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2012-01-24 13:25:52 UTC
Karl Planck wrote:
search the forums, it is well documented but get ready to read.



I have found a few things. Mostly concerning PLEX prices and whining about incursion inflation, but no ratio or any sanctioned data for that matter. Got a link?

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seany1212
M Y S T
#4 - 2012-01-24 13:28:42 UTC
Defecanda wrote:

(Moon and asteroid mining do not count since they are materials that simply solicit the exchange of isk between accounts)


How do you figure? There is still a value upon those materials that have been taken from the game, the only difference is the value of what the other players deem it to be. The rats, concord payouts and agent payouts might be fixed but it does not mean that isk is not produced from mining, its just a variable value.
Grumpy Owly
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#5 - 2012-01-24 13:30:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Grumpy Owly
According to the recent CSM report inflation is 1% per month.

http://www.eveonline.com/council/voting/transcripts.asp (wont go into bbcode)

And the last economic report from CCP or QEN is dated DEC 2010. Which is of no real value I suppose given the date and changes since then.

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Defecanda
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2012-01-24 13:31:14 UTC
seany1212 wrote:
Defecanda wrote:

(Moon and asteroid mining do not count since they are materials that simply solicit the exchange of isk between accounts)


How do you figure? There is still a value upon those materials that have been taken from the game, the only difference is the value of what the other players deem it to be. The rats, concord payouts and agent payouts might be fixed but it does not mean that isk is not produced from mining, its just a variable value.



I almost didn't comment, then i laughed, then I felt bad. Read the OP please and the definition of a sink.

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Defecanda
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2012-01-24 13:33:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Defecanda
The reason I didn't include mining is because the chance of minerals being bought or sold from an NPC market seed are negligible.

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Defecanda
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2012-01-24 13:36:06 UTC
Defecanda wrote:
seany1212 wrote:
Defecanda wrote:

(Moon and asteroid mining do not count since they are materials that simply solicit the exchange of isk between accounts)


How do you figure? There is still a value upon those materials that have been taken from the game, the only difference is the value of what the other players deem it to be. The rats, concord payouts and agent payouts might be fixed but it does not mean that isk is not produced from mining, its just a variable value.



I mean NPC-based generation.

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seany1212
M Y S T
#9 - 2012-01-24 13:36:49 UTC
Defecanda wrote:
The reason I didn't include mining is because the chance of minerals being sold to an NPC buy order are negligible.


LOL at you thinking I was referring to sinks, also, you forgot sleeper loots
Defecanda
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2012-01-24 13:38:30 UTC
seany1212 wrote:
Defecanda wrote:
The reason I didn't include mining is because the chance of minerals being sold to an NPC buy order are negligible.


LOL at you thinking I was referring to sinks, also, you forgot sleeper loots


Sleeper loot doesn't count since it has to be placed on market. You are receiving ISK FORM ANOTHER CHARACTER, not the game.

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Panhead4411
Rothschild's Sewage and Septic Sucking Services
The Possum Lodge
#11 - 2012-01-24 13:40:20 UTC
My guess is that we'll see a figure slightly higher than the 1% inflation per month that was toted in the CSM minutes...but it would be nice to see some numbers.

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Defecanda
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2012-01-24 13:41:23 UTC
Oh well, forget it. I was wanting a link to a dev blog or dev response, not the free bumps and opinions of 'just another subscriber"

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Ammzi
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#13 - 2012-01-24 13:41:27 UTC
Insurance...

NPC buy nanoribbons too :(
Defecanda
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#14 - 2012-01-24 13:42:02 UTC
Panhead4411 wrote:
My guess is that we'll see a figure slightly higher than the 1% inflation per month that was toted in the CSM minutes...but it would be nice to see some numbers.


agreed

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Defecanda
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#15 - 2012-01-24 13:42:35 UTC
oooo, i forgot insurance, edit up.

Ammzi wrote:
Insurance...

NPC buy nanoribbons too :(

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seany1212
M Y S T
#16 - 2012-01-24 13:43:01 UTC
Defecanda wrote:
seany1212 wrote:
Defecanda wrote:
The reason I didn't include mining is because the chance of minerals being sold to an NPC buy order are negligible.


LOL at you thinking I was referring to sinks, also, you forgot sleeper loots


Sleeper loot doesn't count since it has to be placed on market. You are receiving ISK FORM ANOTHER CHARACTER, not the game.


You are mistaking salvage for loot, you should check the NPC prices of sleepers blue loot
Defecanda
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#17 - 2012-01-24 13:45:15 UTC
seany1212 wrote:
Defecanda wrote:
seany1212 wrote:
Defecanda wrote:
The reason I didn't include mining is because the chance of minerals being sold to an NPC buy order are negligible.


LOL at you thinking I was referring to sinks, also, you forgot sleeper loots


Sleeper loot doesn't count since it has to be placed on market. You are receiving ISK FORM ANOTHER CHARACTER, not the game.


You are mistaking salvage for loot, you should check the NPC prices of sleepers blue loot


You're right!!!!! I edited OP to include NPC buy orders. I thought I had put that on there.

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Samantha Utama
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#18 - 2012-01-24 13:51:03 UTC
seany1212 wrote:


LOL at you thinking I was referring to sinks, also, you forgot sleeper loots


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Hemmo Paskiainen
#19 - 2012-01-24 13:54:21 UTC
Defecanda wrote:
Just curious what the numbers are?

Generation:

  • Concord bounties (rats and incursions)
  • Agents
  • NPC buy orders


Sinkage:

  • Brokerage and sales tax
  • Setup costs (PI transfer costs, Sov costs, etc. . . )
  • Clone costs
  • NPC seed purchases (skillbooks & other goods)
  • Insurance deltas

Do any of the developers have these numbers. I am sure there are others in the EVE community that are curious about what the month-by-month ratio is?



*take 20% of eve region in high (no incursion system), low, 0.0 secrandom from a list without looking. Add up rat counts on each day for 1 week. Multiply my 650,000 isk (avarage rate bounty) devide by 20% of eve region indivudualy. Multiply by each sec group = amount of bounty each week in eve * 52 = a yr

incursions, as above

Agents:
80% of npc's in high sec are missions runners take high nec number above and *1,50 (50% bounty)

NPC buyorders, should be in ones of the previous quens's

Broker sales: quen
Sov costs: check dotlan, take avarages as above
CLone costs: check battleclinic & amount of pods killed, get avarage value of pods of 1 month and get avarage
npc seeds: check quen

You forgot isk loss in T2 ships

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seany1212
M Y S T
#20 - 2012-01-24 13:55:40 UTC  |  Edited by: seany1212
Big smile

On a serious note though CCP released a few months ago a guide detailing pretty much all aspects of the market and how much isk was moved through it, i think they also went on to say in it that they could not keep track of contracts because of some reason, im trying to find it but not having much luck at the moment Sad

EDIT: Hemmo you genius, that was it with QEN

EDIT EDIT: http://cdn1.eveonline.com/community/QEN/QEN_Q4-2010.pdf I could only find the Q4 2010 one, i dont know if they've done one since
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