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Incursion runners unite: Operation "Destroy the market."

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Alexandra Delarge
The Korova
#121 - 2012-01-24 16:42:34 UTC
Yet another idle threat. You should have just threatened to quit like all the other people who are upset.
Crazy Jakk
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#122 - 2012-01-24 16:56:12 UTC
I know how you can send the markets into pandemonium!

Start buying the tritanium at Jita off of sell orders, starting at the lowest and working your way up until you wallet is empty.

Then, THEN, and this is where it gets clever, you immediately use that trit to fill ALL the buy orders in Jita.

You will have slightly less isk than when you started, but only slightly, like two or three hundred. Just keep doing it until the market crashes, bedlam occurs, people riot, small children are crying, and old men with bushy moustaches gaze pensively out of the windows into the darkness of space as the fourth planet of the Jita system, it's fourth moon, and the station thereof get sucked into a black hole.
Caldari Acolyte
Shark Enterprises
#123 - 2012-01-24 17:13:10 UTC
Wow, lotta unnecessary drama here, ask yourself this, what did i do before incurssions even existed? Maybe they should take these dam things outta the game altogether, problem solved. way to much peddy BS with this Ugh
Xolve
State War Academy
Caldari State
#124 - 2012-01-24 17:38:14 UTC
10/10.

Would read again.
Skex Relbore
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#125 - 2012-01-24 18:19:14 UTC
Oh please drive plex up to a bil. I'd totally love it, $35 to keep me in shinny PVP ships for months.

Not that you could really do it, the very fact that you think you could shows you lack the knowledge of economics to make such a scheme work.

What would happen if you flooded the market with isk? Prices rise but unlike the real world "wages" in EVE are elastic meaning they can adjust for inflation. If the price of trit for example goes up then people can switch to mining to suck up the extra isk. Kestrels go to 30 mil then people start building kestrels.

Remember inflation is when all prices rise do to more units of currency chasing after the same amount of goods and services. This is only a problem in the real world because of the in-elasticity of wages so prices rise while peoples pay doesn't keep up leaving people with a short fall.

In EVE wages will increase across the board to compensate, if one activity ceases to be lucrative enough to cover ones operating costs then one can move to another activity with relative ease.

Eventually a new equilibrium will be reached and you would have exhausted your fortune for nothing. Well other than gaining the Ire of the idle space rich who will get to watch their amassed wealth lose most of it's value.


But please do try, just make sure you put enough buy orders up that they don't all get fulfilled before I can order some GTCs to sell you.
Hans Jagerblitzen
Ice Fire Warriors
#126 - 2012-01-24 21:08:32 UTC
Pull.....the......trigger!!

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Toriessian
Helion Production Labs
Independent Operators Consortium
#127 - 2012-01-24 21:37:18 UTC
So short version -
We should buy kestrel BPOs if we don't own one and mine veld more? Should I have gotten anymore out of all this?

Every day I'm wafflin!

baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#128 - 2012-01-24 21:39:31 UTC
Toriessian wrote:
So short version -
We should buy kestrel BPOs if we don't own one and mine veld more? Should I have gotten anymore out of all this?


I have one already so I guess I could start running off copies for anyone who needs one...
Nephilius
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#129 - 2012-01-24 21:43:36 UTC
You know, just thinking about it, if you were to refrain from buying any faction or officer mods, that in itself might cause a disruption. I don't really know how big of a disruption, but it may get some attention when 1 Bil+ modules and the like just rots on the market.
"If."
Toriessian
Helion Production Labs
Independent Operators Consortium
#130 - 2012-01-24 21:51:21 UTC
Nephilius wrote:
You know, just thinking about it, if you were to refrain from buying any faction or officer mods, that in itself might cause a disruption. I don't really know how big of a disruption, but it may get some attention when 1 Bil+ modules and the like just rots on the market.


LOL I name the OPs EVE bizzaro EVE where:

1) The griefers stopped griefing to mine veld in hi sec to sell 30m isk kestrels.
2) The incursion runners start griefing due to bitterness
3) The explorers PVP to get faction mods and start taking sov because nobody is buying anything on contract.
4) The noobs run incursions so they can afford all the kestrels they lose helping their exploration overlords????

Truly will be a weird world. I support

Every day I'm wafflin!

Lysaeus
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#131 - 2012-01-24 21:53:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Lysaeus
PLEASE DO THIS!!!

Skex Relbore wrote:
What would happen if you flooded the market with isk? Prices rise but unlike the real world "wages" in EVE are elastic meaning they can adjust for inflation. If the price of trit for example goes up then people can switch to mining to suck up the extra isk. Kestrels go to 30 mil then people start building kestrels.

Remember inflation is when all prices rise do to more units of currency chasing after the same amount of goods and services. This is only a problem in the real world because of the in-elasticity of wages so prices rise while peoples pay doesn't keep up leaving people with a short fall.



Last I checked Incursions only pay a static amount of isk and some LP which very few incursion bears even use.
Niko Takahashi
Yoshitomi Group
#132 - 2012-01-24 21:57:19 UTC
Andski wrote:
Aineko Macx wrote:
Seeing how well empire bears are at coordinating global actions like voting candidates into the CSM this initiative surely will be a grand success.


ice

burn


That made me giggle


To the OP go for it.
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#133 - 2012-01-24 21:58:41 UTC
Nephilius wrote:
You know, just thinking about it, if you were to refrain from buying any faction or officer mods, that in itself might cause a disruption. I don't really know how big of a disruption, but it may get some attention when 1 Bil+ modules and the like just rots on the market.


like which mods?

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Ispia Jaydrath
Reib Autonomous Industries
#134 - 2012-01-24 21:59:25 UTC
Nephilius wrote:
You know, just thinking about it, if you were to refrain from buying any faction or officer mods, that in itself might cause a disruption. I don't really know how big of a disruption, but it may get some attention when 1 Bil+ modules and the like just rots on the market.


Probably not as much as you're hoping. I do exploration, and while faction (pith/DG hardeners, pirate BS, e.g.) prices are higher than they were before incursions, the difference isn't huge.
Jorn Isu
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#135 - 2012-01-24 22:12:56 UTC
Amarr Citizen 532532632 wrote:

And yes. It is also my intention for this to damage the new player experience (GL grinding in a Kestral for that 30m Caracal on level 1's) to such an extent CCP is forced to intervene one way or another, either by nerfing our interactions with the market and screwing their own game design, or by finding a good compromise for Incursion payouts.

It'll actually be great for nubs, with all the stuff NPE shoves into your fist
Willis Man
WillPower and Courage Corporation
#136 - 2012-01-24 22:13:28 UTC
SnowxCrash
Perkone
Caldari State
#137 - 2012-01-24 22:28:11 UTC  |  Edited by: SnowxCrash
So, I don't mean to show how much of a noob I am, or point something out that might seem stupid but..uh...To me your plan would just be an epic fail. The idea that the corps, the alliances, which grief incursions would have trouble getting more ships to grief you...I mean, don't they run mining ops? Don't they have people who can manufacture ships and mods? Hell, I bet that's how they get a lot of their ships. If that's how they operate you and your friends will run out of ISK long before they run out of ships. Hell, they'd probably make more ISK selling the ships they manufacture with such inflated prices. You'd be doing them a favor. hmmm. You'd be doing my friends and I a favor even...You know, I think the only people who'd get screwed by this are the one's who haven't joined a decent corp/alliance, which are mostly noobs in npc corps.

Your statement about PLEX makes some since though, except that well, uh, I'd be willing to bet the same players griefing you already have stockpiles of PLEX or have yearly subs. To me your post looks more like posturing being done by prey who feels cornered, puffing it chest so to speak. I admit though, I'm a noob, I came back in Dec with a kestrel and +1s, so chances are I'm wrong, but I'd like to think I've learned enough so far that I'm right about this.
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#138 - 2012-01-24 22:42:16 UTC
b-b-b-b-bloodbath

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Orion Guardian
#139 - 2012-01-24 22:56:38 UTC
You are just reinforcing the "Incursion pay to much!" crowd btw......tens of trillions in your channel from incursions alone, hell if that hadn't been injected we might as well have deflation....
CCP Phantom
C C P
C C P Alliance
#140 - 2012-01-24 23:08:52 UTC
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