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Incursion runners unite: Operation "Destroy the market."

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gfldex
#21 - 2012-01-24 01:46:04 UTC
Amarr Citizen 532532632 wrote:
ISK is easily trackable, any RMT'ers would have gotten banned.


That must be the reason why there are no RMTers in EVE.

If you take all the sand out of the box, only the cat poo will remain.
stoicfaux
#22 - 2012-01-24 01:47:36 UTC
Sounds like (thinly) veiled manipulation attempt to encourage people to panic buy PLEX.

+1 for piggy backing on the incursion animosity.

Pon Farr Memorial: once every 7 years, all the carebears in high-sec must PvP or they will be temp-banned.
Sicex
#23 - 2012-01-24 01:51:13 UTC
Modules that are seeded into the economy by CCP creates artificial price stabilizers across the hi-sec mineral markets in the event that any prices are purposefully manipulated, IIRC.

So, in short, if I remember that right, this plan would be shot in the foot after a certain level and you would have spent a lot of ISK to make all the other mining carebears a lot richer... If all the mining corps and individuals got richer maybe they would finally buy some PVP ships and form up to go claim some sov space?

... OMG, do it do it do it.
Akatenshi Xi
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#24 - 2012-01-24 01:51:58 UTC
Simple and easy way to solve them from killing the moms. NPC Corp + Frigate. Bump their logi's as soon as they get on gate. If their logi's can't get in then they cannot run the site. NPC corp means no war dec.
Maya Mali
#25 - 2012-01-24 01:55:05 UTC
Darth Tickles wrote:
Do it.

Hint: you won't.


This.
Amarr Citizen 532532632
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#26 - 2012-01-24 01:56:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Amarr Citizen 532532632
Oh so it's absolutely FINE for people to disrupt and damage my gameplay decisions, but when I try to do the same to them within the game mechanics it's suddenly a big problem?

Jiska Ensa wrote:
I doubt 10 trillion isk will do as much damage as you think it will.


You missed the part where I used a plural. Whilst referring to just my channel. CCP alone know how many hoarders there are in BTL and TDF, or even the little guy who wants to help out with his 500m, it all adds up and having a pretty solid grasp of the market, ya know, having daytraded for the past 8 years, I think you under underestimating what a reckless injection of 10 trillion ISK alone is capable of doing to prices.

The artificial ISK stabilizers were removed when shuttles stopped being seeded. And making mining carebears rich is fine by me if it means that PvPers and gankbears are buying their ships at triple prices.
Il Feytid
State War Academy
Caldari State
#27 - 2012-01-24 01:56:55 UTC
Once the Sansha super carrier is spawned, it should just start showing up at random Incursion sites and **** up the site runners. It will continue to do this until it is killer at its HQ.
Nephilius
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#28 - 2012-01-24 01:57:00 UTC
Jacob Stiller wrote:
Amar Citizen, you are a genius. As someone who has remained neutral (read: didn't care) in the whole incursion debate, you have convinced me in <1 minute that incursion runners have amassed far too much power for too little effort. My trade alt, however, will be pleased to profit off of your price fixing.


If money = power, then who really has all the money in the whole of Eve?

Sounds more like a power struggle to me.

As far as market warfare, it's a lot funnier to buy up everything, then when prices spike, dump it all back on the market for a pittance. There's a reason people watch NASCAR...it's for the crashes.
"If."
Amarr Citizen 532532632
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#29 - 2012-01-24 02:00:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Amarr Citizen 532532632
The intention is mainly to target PLEX and specifically T2 ships and items to force them to be so expensive no one can realistically use them. T1 market crash isn't really that plausible, but increasing the price of particular base minerals by 10x over is certainly realistic which will put battleship prices back to 2003.

Imagine the Nocxium hike on crack.

And it isn't like we'd be alone, just like with Nocx, all you need is a few billion ISK to get the ball rolling and everyone jumps on it with their own ISK doing the hard work for you.
KrakizBad
Section 8.
#30 - 2012-01-24 02:02:56 UTC
Amarr Citizen 532532632 wrote:
Oh so it's absolutely FINE for people to disrupt and damage my gameplay decisions, but when I try to do the same to them within the game mechanics it's suddenly a big problem?


Not at all, have at.
Shaalira D'arc
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#31 - 2012-01-24 02:11:25 UTC
Amarr Citizen 532532632 wrote:
The intention is mainly to target PLEX and specifically T2 ships and items to force them to be so expensive no one can realistically use them. T1 market crash isn't really that plausible, but increasing the price of particular base minerals by 10x over is certainly realistic which will put battleship prices back to 2003.

Imagine the Nocxium hike on crack.

And it isn't like we'd be alone, just like with Nocx, all you need is a few billion ISK to get the ball rolling and everyone jumps on it with their own ISK doing the hard work for you.


You underestimate the size and resilience of the market, the resources and numbers of people who regularly engage in 'market PvP,' and the amount of wealth already changing hands on a day-to-day basis.

Give it a try. Sink 'a few billion ISK' into price-jacking a major component or ship.

Let us know how it works for you.
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#32 - 2012-01-24 02:30:28 UTC
*yawn*


All that will do is make me get my own materials to build what I need. Big deal. I have a hangar full of exploration goodies, faction and dedspace mods, so if I can't buy T2, I'll have to use the better stuff.

You might affect those people in null and 0.0 - and they might have to turn towards their own industrial assets to get what they need. Funny thing though: that's been needing to happen for a long time. 0.0 economy could use more diversification so if you shut down highsec markets, you might actaully help.


Meanwhile, all you will end up proving is that incursions do exactly two things that drive the MOM Interdiction efforts:

- Too much for too little effort giving "he who has more time to play" more advantage which is very "WOW-ish".
- That the ISK-printing machine called Incursions truly does cause inflation in the economy and wrecks it, making the game less appealing.

So go ahead and carry through on your threat. I will be curious to see how it fails.


Bring back DEEEEP Space!
Ispia Jaydrath
Reib Autonomous Industries
#33 - 2012-01-24 02:56:35 UTC
So basically your idea is for people to give you their isk.

Sounds legit.
mkint
#34 - 2012-01-24 02:58:23 UTC
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
KrakizBad wrote:
You have singlehandedly nuked the argument of everyone from the bears screaming "it's not that profitable!" or "no one REALLY makes that much ISK per hour!"

Well done sir, I will link this post the next time some tries to use that BS.


Not only this, but CCP should investigate those exploiters (not killing MOM is circumventing a logical game mechanic that would drive to kill the end boss) and remove all the involved ISK. Like they do with bots.

After all, how do we know they did not sell those trillions for RMT?

lol@calling working around a broken game mechanic (as admitted to by CCP) an exploit. Next you're going to call clearing your cache, and updating your drivers an exploit!

Maxim 6. If violence wasn’t your last resort, you failed to resort to enough of it.
Jiska Ensa
Estrale Frontiers
#35 - 2012-01-24 03:04:24 UTC
Amarr Citizen 532532632 wrote:
Oh so it's absolutely FINE for people to disrupt and damage my gameplay decisions, but when I try to do the same to them within the game mechanics it's suddenly a big problem?

Jiska Ensa wrote:
I doubt 10 trillion isk will do as much damage as you think it will.


You missed the part where I used a plural. Whilst referring to just my channel. CCP alone know how many hoarders there are in BTL and TDF, or even the little guy who wants to help out with his 500m, it all adds up and having a pretty solid grasp of the market, ya know, having daytraded for the past 8 years, I think you under underestimating what a reckless injection of 10 trillion ISK alone is capable of doing to prices.

The artificial ISK stabilizers were removed when shuttles stopped being seeded. And making mining carebears rich is fine by me if it means that PvPers and gankbears are buying their ships at triple prices.



But the real question, assuming for the moment you're right and you'll suceed in mucking up some part of the economy, will anyone REALLY care enough to say "gee I'm sorry, I'll let you continue farming your perfectly safe isk faucets?"
Braelyn
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#36 - 2012-01-24 03:07:48 UTC
I would love to see someone with isk in the low billions think they can manipulate the market on minerals, or some other high volume commodity, to any great effect.

Anyway, this just sounds like some way for whoever organizes this "manipulation" to make a lot of isk. If this works out, good on you for having such a significant effect on New Eden, and proving to those new players that a caracal is too much to ask for in a game that already puts enough pressure on noobs that they leave. Great to know there are people who care about keeping EVE alive and well.
Spineker
#37 - 2012-01-24 03:12:22 UTC
More tears please.

Eve Market is PVP as it has always been said. Do it we need some pain.
Ludi Burek
The Player Haters Corp
#38 - 2012-01-24 03:13:07 UTC
Hilarious idea OP. Especially the part where you spent so much time thinking about it and typing it out.

You forget that most people lie about their wealth and most importantly you missed a crucial flaw in your little pipedream.

The reason why isk grinders grind PVE isk all day instead of doing something that takes brains like trading or industry. It's to accumulate more isk to stare at in their wallet and doing nothing with it. These people have no interest in anything else. Good luck having these people parting with their isk haha

Your whole idea reminds me of school boy arguments, "I will bring my friends! They're all black belts!" Lol
TheSmokingHertog
Julia's Interstellar Trade Emperium
#39 - 2012-01-24 03:42:18 UTC
The idea is great, cant you put up a collateralized bond for external money input, you can collateralize it with the named minerals.

Then investors / speculants / people with stockpiles can feed back the markets and profit on 2 sides.
And if the idea fails, the collateral will be a nice bonus.

Sure several alliances with huge stocks would step in with trillions to back up the idea ;).

"Dogma is kind of like quantum physics, observing the dogma state will change it." ~ CCP Prism X

"Schrödinger's Missile. I dig it." ~ Makari Aeron

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Surge Roth
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#40 - 2012-01-24 03:50:04 UTC
Jacob Stiller wrote:
To put it bluntly, the farming of incursions was only possible because incursion runners had set up a system of treaties/agreements that allowed it. Now that a new set of players have appeared that have no interest in joining your cartel, you somehow feel entitled to force them to play ball. Whether by whining to CCP or by holding the entire game hostage. This attitude does not reflect well on you and your friends.

In other words, you are jumping the shark that will sharply turn public opinion against you.


Won't make me turn against them. Null sec works in a similar fashion. Go into someone's territory, you gotta join their 'cartel' and 'play ball'. And null sec alliance have also whined to CCP and held entire regions hostage. Quite frankly, I hope they do what they claim, I know I'd benefit from it immensely and I don't even run incursions. ****, I may just help. And as home boy said above, if it was about maximizing isk, there are defiantly better places to do it.