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Javelin Torpedoes for pvp
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Mimi Nova
Doomheim
#1 - 2012-01-23 22:51:07 UTC
I'm working on becoming a viable Phoon pilot. Love the torps and would like to know more about which torps pilots use in pvp and why. I was in an engagement over the week end and found that range was an issue. Are Javelin Torpedoes the way to go for the increased range?
Thanks in advanced.
Liang Nuren
No Salvation
Divine Damnation
#2 - 2012-01-23 23:02:07 UTC
Yeah, range is a major disadvantage on the torp phoon - its why they tend to want to get up close and personal with mids = mwd, scram, web, painter. If you find that you can't get in range to deliver the torp damage with faction torps you may be better off with an AC based fit.

At least, IME.

-Liang

I'm an idiot, don't mind me.
OninoTimmo
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#3 - 2012-01-23 23:12:36 UTC
"working on becoming a viable Phoon pilot" lllllllllol I can't tell if this is a joke

As for your question, I can give you an answer having flown stealth bombers quite a bit. Use rage if you're going to be hitting battleships and caps, faction for everything else (actually rage might be good for BCs, someone correct me on this). The only time I've used javelin are for specific setups that require max range and kiting outside of a ship's lock range.

-Liang
Liang Nuren
No Salvation
Divine Damnation
#4 - 2012-01-23 23:23:58 UTC
OninoTimmo wrote:
"working on becoming a viable Phoon pilot" lllllllllol I can't tell if this is a joke


The Phoon is pretty SP intensive. However it probably isn't that accurate anymore because I'm training Inty 5 and Covops 5 instead of anything phoon related right now. :(

See for yourself though: http://eveboard.com/pilot/Liang_Nuren

Quote:

As for your question, I can give you an answer having flown stealth bombers quite a bit. Use rage if you're going to be hitting battleships and caps, faction for everything else (actually rage might be good for BCs, someone correct me on this). The only time I've used javelin are for specific setups that require max range and kiting outside of a ship's lock range.


The range difference on SBs (and even the Raven) makes them entirely different experiences than the Phoon. With a Phoon your torps don't even reach to point range.

-Liang

I'm an idiot, don't mind me.
Schalac
Apocalypse Reign
#5 - 2012-01-24 04:33:06 UTC
Minny torps make me cry. They don't even really get a DMG buff. Stupid slaves stole the wrong tech.

SCHALAC HAS SPOKEN!! http://eveboard.com/pilot/Schalac
Trinkets friend
Sudden Buggery
Sending Thots And Players
#6 - 2012-01-24 05:01:48 UTC
I flew a quad heavy neut torp phoon in W-space (it required EHP sacrifices). My record with the ship was something like 30:2. It died only to Tengus and booze - everything else, I got dropped within 10km and ran them down for scramming (not having any cap tends to halt the enemy). If you cannot replicate this situation reliably, then a torp phoon can be a big fat punching bag. javs will not help.

I had no problem DPSing battlecruisers with rage torps. A similar experience is the neut-torp Rokh; your enemy runs out of cap, slows to a stop, their hardeners turn off, and there's not much that saves them at this point. Again, it does help to get dropped fairly close.

So. Its basically down to getting the tactics worked ut.

~~ Localectomy Blog ~~
DarkAegix
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2012-01-24 05:12:19 UTC
Awww.... Cmon, the Phoon is pretty cool. Sad

[Typhoon, PHOOOON]

Siege Missile Launcher II, Bane Rage Torpedo
Siege Missile Launcher II, Bane Rage Torpedo
Siege Missile Launcher II, Bane Rage Torpedo
Siege Missile Launcher II, Bane Rage Torpedo
Siege Missile Launcher II, Bane Rage Torpedo
800mm Repeating Artillery II, Domination Fusion L
Dual 650mm Repeating Artillery II, Domination Fusion L
Dual 650mm Repeating Artillery II, Domination Fusion L

Quad LiF Fueled Booster Rockets
Warp Disruptor II
X5 Prototype Engine Enervator
Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron

Damage Control II
1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
Adaptive Nano Plating II
Adaptive Nano Plating II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II

Large Trimark Armor Pump I
Large Trimark Armor Pump I
Large Trimark Armor Pump I


Ogre II x5
Warrior II x5
Hornet EC-300 x5

--

1301 dps
102k ehp
989m/s

Fitting it with a little bit of faction stuff or getting a CPU implant makes it really shine, as you'll be able to fit EANMs.

Also, it has the coolest sounding module fit to it. Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron. Rolls right off the tongue.
Soldarius
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#8 - 2012-01-24 05:39:00 UTC
Navy torps are better for sub BS-sized opponents due to the 640m explosion radius of Rage torps. Even against BS, you need a target painter for maximum damage. For caps definitely use Rage.

Javelin torps suck. Yeah, you can get 120km range on a bomber with them. But the dps is only in the upper 300s. With the advent of tier 3 BC, I would not want to fly a range fit bomber.

http://youtu.be/YVkUvmDQ3HY
Uppsy Daisy
State War Academy
Caldari State
#9 - 2012-01-24 08:56:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Uppsy Daisy
Quote:
Also, it has the coolest sounding module fit to it. Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron. Rolls right off the tongue.


Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron = P.W.N.A.G.E

Get it?
DarkAegix
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2012-01-24 09:35:55 UTC
Uppsy Daisy wrote:
Quote:
Also, it has the coolest sounding module fit to it. Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron. Rolls right off the tongue.


Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron = P.W.N.A.G.E

Get it?

Woah.
My mind has been blown.
Word of this must spread!
Uppsy Daisy
State War Academy
Caldari State
#11 - 2012-01-24 11:51:35 UTC
Well while we're at it we might as well do the others too.

Partial Weapon Navigation = P.W.N
Peripheral Weapon Navigation Diameter = P.W.N.D
Parallel Weapon Navigation Transmitter = P.W.N.T

(Old news btw)
Tanya Powers
Doomheim
#12 - 2012-01-24 13:49:23 UTC
Javelins explosion radius makes me think your torp Phoon/SB/Raven WILL BE better with faction Torps unless you try to hit capitals/structures.

Even T1 torps have better dps than T2's for everything from frig to BS (yes you can kill frigs with faction Torps+painters)
mecubed
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2012-01-24 15:29:00 UTC  |  Edited by: mecubed
Schalac wrote:
Minny torps make me cry. They don't even really get a DMG buff. Stupid slaves stole the wrong tech.

Though a raven in PVP is sad.
When it comes to everything else minmatar are favored.
I think it was CCP's Afirmative Action in favor of Minnie.
Khrage
#14 - 2012-01-24 17:31:56 UTC
Afrimative Action should be based on economic class not race... i forget, which race has the worst market in their space?
Soldarius
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#15 - 2012-01-25 10:22:14 UTC
Tanya Powers wrote:
Even T1 torps have better dps than T2's for everything from frig to BS (yes you can kill frigs with faction Torps+painters)


Confirmed. If not for lack of tackle when that opportunity came up...

http://youtu.be/YVkUvmDQ3HY