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Incursion fixes/feedback thread

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Andy Landen
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#741 - 2012-06-05 00:23:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Andy Landen
KrakizBad wrote:
DarthNefarius wrote:
Shobon Welp wrote:
Jita Joe2 Jones wrote:


So? tritanium is 5.86 today and a plex is still 480 mil, so screwing 1000's of people out of their entertainment hasnt alleviated the supposed inflation issue.

No 'entertainment' has been screwed, only isk generation.


Bull the entertainment value has been SERIOUSLY screwed by the making of ALL Vanguard sites and Assault sites without exception more tedious OTA's being the most tedious and stacking the worst ( almst as bad as the original NCN's which were undoable due to logi not being let in the right side of the gates )

Apparently to you 'entertainment' means 'endless farming'.


And entertainment to others is 'endless' gate camping. Let each enjoy Eve how they wish. There is plenty to enjoy in sleepers/incursion pve content.

"We cannot solve our problems with the same thinking we used when we created them." Albert Einstein 

KrakizBad
Section 8.
#742 - 2012-06-05 01:03:33 UTC
Andy Landen wrote:
KrakizBad wrote:
DarthNefarius wrote:
Shobon Welp wrote:
Jita Joe2 Jones wrote:


So? tritanium is 5.86 today and a plex is still 480 mil, so screwing 1000's of people out of their entertainment hasnt alleviated the supposed inflation issue.

No 'entertainment' has been screwed, only isk generation.


Bull the entertainment value has been SERIOUSLY screwed by the making of ALL Vanguard sites and Assault sites without exception more tedious OTA's being the most tedious and stacking the worst ( almst as bad as the original NCN's which were undoable due to logi not being let in the right side of the gates )

Apparently to you 'entertainment' means 'endless farming'.


And entertainment to others is 'endless' gate camping. Let each enjoy Eve how they wish. There is plenty to enjoy in sleepers/incursion pve content.

You still can, you're just getting an appropriate amount of isk for the risk you take. Enjoy.
Apolyon I
Shadow of ISW
#743 - 2012-06-05 01:44:48 UTC
Andy Landen wrote:
KrakizBad wrote:
DarthNefarius wrote:
Shobon Welp wrote:
Jita Joe2 Jones wrote:


So? tritanium is 5.86 today and a plex is still 480 mil, so screwing 1000's of people out of their entertainment hasnt alleviated the supposed inflation issue.

No 'entertainment' has been screwed, only isk generation.


Bull the entertainment value has been SERIOUSLY screwed by the making of ALL Vanguard sites and Assault sites without exception more tedious OTA's being the most tedious and stacking the worst ( almst as bad as the original NCN's which were undoable due to logi not being let in the right side of the gates )

Apparently to you 'entertainment' means 'endless farming'.


And entertainment to others is 'endless' gate camping. Let each enjoy Eve how they wish. There is plenty to enjoy in sleepers/incursion pve content.

where the f does this guy come from, are you one of the incursion bears??
SmilingVagrant
Doomheim
#744 - 2012-06-05 03:36:02 UTC
KrakizBad wrote:
You still can, you're just getting an appropriate amount of isk for the risk you take. Enjoy.


Not that I want to take their side or anything: But lowsec incursions were pretty high risk when pirates were around and they aren't worth doing at all anymore, not due to the payout changes: But to the changes to the incursions themselves/how they spawned etc.

Pretty much once you have OTA poisoning it's ruined for the day, so by say: noon eastern time.
Kiraisha
Odium.
#745 - 2012-06-06 19:14:44 UTC
KrakizBad wrote:
Andy Landen wrote:
KrakizBad wrote:
Shobon Welp wrote:
[quote=Jita Joe2 Jones]

So? tritanium is 5.86 today and a plex is still 480 mil, so screwing 1000's of people out of their entertainment hasnt alleviated the supposed inflation issue.

No 'entertainment' has been screwed, only isk generation.


And entertainment to others is 'endless' gate camping. Let each enjoy Eve how they wish. There is plenty to enjoy in sleepers/incursion pve content.

You still can, you're just getting an appropriate amount of isk for the risk you take. Enjoy.


Good Sir,

From the looks of things you seem to be saying that a proper gate camp has much risk, where I would then question your bias. A large portion of the forum community is nullsec circle jerkers who were jealous that hi sec was making isk. It is indeed the truth that Incursions were the LEAST contributing faucet, ratting being the highest, as stated by CCP Soundwave himself in an interview with tentron. I'd like to firmly and politely point out that you nullsec ***** are greedy donkeys who would amass a grade A rooster call to **** on everyone's morning if their mornings have been in any way pleasurable and/or productive like yours. The DEVs want people in LS and Null? Well, let me tell you (the community) that they (the DEVs) have just contradicted that goal. The current incursion changes closed doors to enjoyable profit to hi sec dwellers, in turn creating less chance for them to risk their ships for fun in LS as well as no capital and/or far less interest in Null due to the immaturity exacerbating from that specific area. Not to mention most people went inactive/less active. Good job null sec, enjoy the same partners you've had for circle jerking since the day you moved out there.

Respectfully,
Kira
FloppieTheBanjoClown
Arcana Imperii Ltd.
#746 - 2012-06-06 19:25:11 UTC  |  Edited by: FloppieTheBanjoClown
Kiraisha wrote:
The current incursion changes closed doors to enjoyable profit to hi sec dwellers, in turn creating less chance for them to risk their ships for fun in LS as well as no capital and/or far less interest in Null due to the immaturity exacerbating from that specific area. Not to mention most people went inactive/less active. Good job null sec, enjoy the same partners you've had for circle jerking since the day you moved out there.


Before there were incursions, I burned out on missions. My corp was in highsec and I was loyal to them, so I sought new ways to make isk without wandering too far. I discovered exploration. It was interesting and variable, and more profitable than missions unless you were a hardcore L4 blitzer. Then I stumbled into wormholes and made billions. Spending every day in and out of wormholes taught me how to not be like you. I became accustomed to risk and unpredictable (sometimes absent) rewards. I'm still consuming my reserves from those days, and it's been almost a year since I changed occupations.

There's isk out there. You just have to be daring. Stop being a weekend warrior where you take a ship into lowsec when you've got a little free time, and LIVE ON THE EDGE. It makes everything better.

Founding member of the Belligerent Undesirables movement.

DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
#747 - 2012-06-06 20:46:07 UTC
sweetrock wrote:
Seriously over nerfed. Reminds me of the mission nurf.

CCP ran over incursions, backed over them, then proceeded to get out of the vehicle and beat them with a hammer. 18 days left on subscription, and jsut to prove a point I have over 25bil isk over my accounts and I WONT be purchasing plex just on principle.

Fix the game, keep customers. Keep going down this route and it will certainly be a neiche game



I am hearing/seeing unsubbing sentiment all over the place. CCP's glacial reactions just turns snowballs into avalanches as they get bogged down by the next Inferno bug/fix.
An' then Chicken@little.com, he come scramblin outta the    Terminal room screaming "The system's crashing! The system's    crashing!" -Uncle RAMus, 'Tales for Cyberpsychotic Children'
Alexandra Delarge
The Korova
#748 - 2012-06-06 20:51:00 UTC
DarthNefarius wrote:
I am hearing/seeing unsubbing sentiment all over the place.

Good news! Despite what you are witnessing and hearing Eve is close to breaking its all-time subscriber record.
Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
#749 - 2012-06-06 21:17:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Simi Kusoni
DarthNefarius wrote:
I am hearing/seeing unsubbing sentiment all over the place. CCP's glacial reactions just turns snowballs into avalanches as they get bogged down by the next Inferno bug/fix.

Probably because you only ever talk to other incursion care bears, who are mad at their ISK fountain getting toned down.

The rest of us are pretty happy right now.

*Also, this:

Alexandra Delarge wrote:
DarthNefarius wrote:
I am hearing/seeing unsubbing sentiment all over the place.

Good news! Despite what you are witnessing and hearing Eve is close to breaking its all-time subscriber record.

[center]"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings"  -MXZF[/center]

Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
#750 - 2012-06-06 21:25:49 UTC
Kiraisha wrote:
Good Sir,

From the looks of things you seem to be saying that a proper gate camp has much risk, where I would then question your bias. A large portion of the forum community is nullsec circle jerkers who were jealous that hi sec was making isk. It is indeed the truth that Incursions were the LEAST contributing faucet, ratting being the highest, as stated by CCP Soundwave himself in an interview with tentron.

Bounties are the highest, that doesn't mean ratting. That means bounties from:


  • High, low and null sec mission running.
  • High, low and null sec exploration.
  • Low and null sec anomalies.
  • High, low and null sec belt ratting.


These professions span an enormous demographic of Eve online's population, and yet incursions which were done only by a tiny percentage managed to generate a third of that total income.

Kiraisha wrote:
I'd like to firmly and politely point out that you nullsec ***** are greedy donkeys who would amass a grade A rooster call to **** on everyone's morning if their mornings have been in any way pleasurable and/or productive like yours. The DEVs want people in LS and Null? Well, let me tell you (the community) that they (the DEVs) have just contradicted that goal.

Most of us don't really care if you come to low sec or null sec or not, stay in high sec and make virtually no ISK for all I care, as long as you are making virtually no ISK.

This isn't some vindictive "play Eve my way" campaign, this is us understanding the concept of mudflation and you not understanding the concept of mudflation.

Kiraisha wrote:
The current incursion changes closed doors to enjoyable profit to hi sec dwellers, in turn creating less chance for them to risk their ships for fun in LS as well as no capital and/or far less interest in Null due to the immaturity exacerbating from that specific area. Not to mention most people went inactive/less active.

Oh look, another person who thinks PvE and PvP should be separated like some themepark MMO.

Protip: you are not entitled to effortless ISK and assets. You want to earn lots of stuff in little time? Work for it.

[center]"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings"  -MXZF[/center]

DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
#751 - 2012-06-08 06:15:30 UTC  |  Edited by: DarthNefarius
SmilingVagrant wrote:
KrakizBad wrote:
You still can, you're just getting an appropriate amount of isk for the risk you take. Enjoy.


Not that I want to take their side or anything: But lowsec incursions were pretty high risk when pirates were around and they aren't worth doing at all anymore, not due to the payout changes: But to the changes to the incursions themselves/how they spawned etc.

Pretty much once you have OTA poisoning it's ruined for the day, so by say: noon eastern time.


The lo/null sec Incursions beore the Incursion NERF were infrequently finished ( believe i or not the lo sec Incursions were completed more often then the NULL SEC ones ) CCP KILLED both of these communities dead & since CCP Affinity closed her thread in Missions & Complexes board not jack has been said about it. CSM7 summit the CSM's didn' bring it up at all & CCP did
Goes to show how CSM's are in it or nobody except their respective alliances. At least Mittens brought up the Incursions in stating they couldn't be botted like L4's or other missions before he was thrown under the bus ( like it seems to me Incursions were thrown under the bus )
An' then Chicken@little.com, he come scramblin outta the    Terminal room screaming "The system's crashing! The system's    crashing!" -Uncle RAMus, 'Tales for Cyberpsychotic Children'
Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
#752 - 2012-06-08 06:24:58 UTC
If you put half as much effort into adapting as you do into whining on the forums you'd probably be one of the richest players in Eve by now.

[center]"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings"  -MXZF[/center]

DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
#753 - 2012-06-08 18:04:57 UTC  |  Edited by: DarthNefarius
Simi Kusoni wrote:
If you put half as much effort into adapting as you do into whining on the forums you'd probably be one of the richest players in Eve by now.


lol Like any Incursion runner could hope to approach the Tech moon Alliance Director's wallets.

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Sill waiting for some stats of the payouts last month versus bounties & the rest of the ISK faucets
An' then Chicken@little.com, he come scramblin outta the    Terminal room screaming "The system's crashing! The system's    crashing!" -Uncle RAMus, 'Tales for Cyberpsychotic Children'
Disregard That
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#754 - 2012-06-08 18:06:27 UTC
DarthNefarius wrote:
Simi Kusoni wrote:
If you put half as much effort into adapting as you do into whining on the forums you'd probably be one of the richest players in Eve by now.


lol Like any Incursion runner could hope to approach the Tech moon Alliance Director's wallets.

All that ISk came from other faucets though, so who should we blame for that?

Well, everybody in a T2 ship, that's who.
Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
#755 - 2012-06-08 18:40:18 UTC
DarthNefarius wrote:
Simi Kusoni wrote:
If you put half as much effort into adapting as you do into whining on the forums you'd probably be one of the richest players in Eve by now.


lol Like any Incursion runner could hope to approach the Tech moon Alliance Director's wallets.

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Sill waiting for some stats of the payouts last month versus bounties & the rest of the ISK faucets

lol, like any incursion "community" would ever be organised enough to take or hold a tech moon.

(although seeing a fleet of machs and vindis get wiped by drakes would be priceless.)

[center]"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings"  -MXZF[/center]

KrakizBad
Section 8.
#756 - 2012-06-08 18:54:11 UTC
Kiraisha wrote:
The current incursion changes closed doors to enjoyable profit to hi sec dwellers, in turn creating less chance for them to risk their ships for fun in LS as well as no capital and/or far less interest in Null due to the immaturity exacerbating from that specific area. Not to mention most people went inactive/less active. Good job null sec, enjoy the same partners you've had for circle jerking since the day you moved out there.

Clearly you only needed to save a few more billion to move out to null and take risks. Clearly.

You're also good at reading, as you were able to divine my feelings about gatecamping risks from someone else's post. Lol

Stay in empire, we don't want you anyway.
sweetrock
#757 - 2012-06-08 19:02:45 UTC
What im finding really really funny is this whole elitest null illusion crap. Lets be frank, the only reason you are in a null alliance is because there is safety in numbers, much like zebra's. If your so awesome go do some solo pvp, and by solo pvp i mean not ganking hulks, not baiting missioners, not can flipping noobs... So whats left, oh wait I just cover'd 99% of the pvp on eve that isnt mass blob fests. Oh neutral RR is also faggetry so lets rule that out.

So basicaly, the only time people on this sespit of a game are willing to pvp and risk thier ships/isk is when they believe they have a large enough advantage to almost guarentee a win. All you nullzebra's bashing on highsec bears just take a second to look in the mirror.

P.S incursions way over nerfed CCP SUXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX

Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
#758 - 2012-06-08 21:46:31 UTC
sweetrock wrote:
What im finding really really funny is this whole elitest null illusion crap. Lets be frank, the only reason you are in a null alliance is because there is safety in numbers, much like zebra's. If your so awesome go do some solo pvp, and by solo pvp i mean not ganking hulks, not baiting missioners, not can flipping noobs... So whats left, oh wait I just cover'd 99% of the pvp on eve that isnt mass blob fests. Oh neutral RR is also faggetry so lets rule that out.

So basicaly, the only time people on this sespit of a game are willing to pvp and risk thier ships/isk is when they believe they have a large enough advantage to almost guarentee a win. All you nullzebra's bashing on highsec bears just take a second to look in the mirror.

P.S incursions way over nerfed CCP SUXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX


Good thing none of us engage in solo PvP, or that rant would look really silly.

[center]"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings"  -MXZF[/center]

Shobon Welp
GoonFleet
Band of Brothers
#759 - 2012-06-09 10:28:00 UTC
sweetrock wrote:
What im finding really really funny is this whole elitest null illusion crap. Lets be frank, the only reason you are in a null alliance is because there is safety in numbers, much like zebra's. If your so awesome go do some solo pvp, and by solo pvp i mean not ganking hulks, not baiting missioners, not can flipping noobs... So whats left, oh wait I just cover'd 99% of the pvp on eve that isnt mass blob fests. Oh neutral RR is also faggetry so lets rule that out.

So basicaly, the only time people on this sespit of a game are willing to pvp and risk thier ships/isk is when they believe they have a large enough advantage to almost guarentee a win. All you nullzebra's bashing on highsec bears just take a second to look in the mirror.

P.S incursions way over nerfed CCP SUXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX

That's a long winded way of saying ablooobloobloobloo
Jita Joe2 Jones
taxes are for communists
#760 - 2012-06-09 11:17:05 UTC
Un Subbed 2 accounts yesterday , now that my main isn't incursioning he can handle everything alone.