EVE General Discussion

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1/3 incursions--- guess thats all sec lvl's. whats the break down accross sec lvl's??
1/6 missions--- empire mostly??
1/2 ratting--- 0.0??

maybe adjust the vg to be a bit harder and not so easily farmed and they should be about it for balanced

1/3 is bit higher than i had though, but i think that is acceptable portion since the Incursions dont add minerals into market.

Edit. I guess that doesnt take account the LP-store isk sink?

Rather than reduce the isk/LP rewards - why not just contrict the pipe a bit? Limit 1 incursion constellation in High Sec, 2 in Low Sec, 3 in Null. I think fewer sites in highsec could make for some interesting sandbox dynamics.

Or offer the option for real world rewards like tacos and beer. Or vodka and bread...

Ok, here is my stand:

Incursions are currently the only fun group activity in high (where some paying subscribers like to life), after Level 5 Missions already have been send to low (and into oblivion), and group mining in the current state more or less fall under special interest.

People complain a lot about the risk versus reward aspect. I guess they should think about the difference of risk, if you either loose a cheap mostly insured ship versus loosing a faction/officier t2 rigged ship. e.g. Loosing one good fitted vindicator in an incursion means 20 times the loss of someone blowing up his cane in pvp. Ship looses in incursions do happen either due to ganking, logistics going off line or being drunken. Incursion pay outs are already limited, due to respawn rate. In average I assume a dps ship in incursions is worth > 600m.

It is part of the fun to make expensive "optimum" ships. If the ship blow up to often or too easily no sane person would use such expensive item, which would eve make a much less fun to play.

People often bring up the numbers a consistent bad ass fleet could make (which is great money), than they forget to mention overhead times ( getting to the system, waiting for a fleet to form (some not skilled out pilots actually wait for hours, if they get in at all), waiting for others while they visit the bathroom, drink, fight with their gf's, bringing out their dogs, ... ) and the fact that on good hours the areas are totally over farmed, meaning that most sites are contested and the winner takes it all. Actually my numbers show me, that my payout is only slightly better than l4 mission grinding, and way worse than ninja exploration.

My personal ideas:

ISK:
a) buff up payout for 5 man sites a little
b) reduce vanguard payouts
c) buff up assaults
d) moms are fine

Spawn rate:
waiting for new spawns is boring. If you really need this to limit income a better way would be to reduce payout per hour and system to a fixed number, so that if the area is over farmed the payouts are reduced.
mom spawn should come later. I like the idea that you would need tags e.g. 10 tags per participant to enter which before have to be farmed from assault and vanguards. That would limit any kind of ninjas from entering.

Variants:
More types or more complex sites would be great.
Currently most sites can be done without much moving around. Forcing the fleet to move around possible having to split up could be fun. E.g. structures that give fleet bonuses to the sansha worth enough to make you think about removing them, bomb deployments (slow enough so that you actually can evade them), officers spawning that bring a certain fleet tactic with them, so that you have to regroup to avoid that ...

Kill death sites:
Make a new type of site that has a great chance of killing even the most skilled and best fitted entering ships (e.g. 15-20% kill rate). That on the other hand do pay out enough to make this loss worth it. Discourage use of any expensive ships, either by entering limits e.g. max t1 cruisers or even frig only.

+1
all systems sec in constellation drop by 0.1

No need to constrict... they are ONLY 1/3 the mission bounties & 10X the fun
If you constrict them you'll only be constricting the fun... because of a minority of whiney NULL SECers who think everyone should be their whipping boy

[quote=Shiu Juan] Maybe in Scout sites you can either fit a really good local rep, or you only need 1 baby logi (Osprey/Exequror). (eg these Sansha recognize that damage is a threat, but don't realize the problem with repping. I can't really think of another way of avoiding needing a logi pair and as a result blowing up the size of the fleet.)

You could give those baby logistics some kind of anti-sansha jammers modules which protects them from getting targeted ... ships would needed to change ... actually anti-npc jammers sounds like a great idea in general for this ship kind to make them useful for pve. Or give them some kind of better local rep. I actually do not like this, I do not like t1 logistics at all, because they simply do not work very well, not even in pairs.

Better balance scouts sites around speed tanks and ecm. Blackbird or kitsume could jam dangerous sansha ships while the fleets kills them.

No thanks. This is yet another nuke from orbit attempt.

1. HQs Should have higher rewards/Hour than Assaults. Assaults should have a higher reward than Vanguards.
2. More spawn/site variation. Break the monotony
3. The Second Room in TPPHs should go away. The fleet has to fly through 2 rooms to get to the main site and THEN kill a tower?
4. Why are TCRCs so difficult but Mom sites are relatively easy? TCRCs should be made slightly easier or at least increase the reward.
5. Create more types of incursions. Sansha shouldn't be the only enemies.

i dont think it should make all the systems in a constellation lowsec, but a couple would add more to eve as a 'sandbox' than what we currently have, it would also create a few systems that have less of a farming population creating a gap for people who are willing to take the risk and i can pretty much guarentee they'll be tonnes of oppertunity for the more adventurous players

or the easy alternative which would see more of an equal spread over all the empire factions space, just make incursions available to any constellation, as currently they dont spawn in mixed sec const i believe?