Skill Discussions

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I'm trying to make sure this toon sticks to sub-cap pvp, but I want to be ready for all scenarios in the future (considering training times).

The fault I'm running into is, I like seeing level V's.

I fly a legion primarily and beat up incursions and up to c3 wormhole sites. I'm almost done with adv wpn upg V... and I'm not sure what to do next.


Option 1.
Don't remap: Train -
Pulse Laser spec V 17d
Beam Laser Spec V 17d
Trajectory Analysis V 17d
Amarr Strategic Cruiser V ??d
Followed by a remap to I/M for all support skills for cruiser/battlecruiser PvP...

the flaw here is that I won't have battleship skills and will be missing out on possible fleet arrangements...

Option 2.
Remap as soon as adv wpn upg finishes, to I/m for support skills...

Same problem as above, but saves me 2.5 months or so of small % skill trainings to train for another time.

Option 3.
Tech 2 Large guns.
Amarr Battleship IV.
then remap.

Option 4.
remap after the early part of option 1 and 3 are complete and never look at Perception/Willpower again, until I want capitals on this toon.

I don't know what concerns there are, because I don't get much action in this game (yet). So I jsut wanted to see what others would say.

Because you are playing the character while skilling, and also not entirely sure of your course of action, I suggest this remap:

INT 24 (28)
PER 24 (28)
CHA 17
WIL 17 (21)
MEM 17 (21)

The primary attribute is always the most important, and Intelligence and Perception are the most-used primary attributes. This gives good training speed to the following categories:

Electronics
Engineering
Gunnery
Mechanic
Missile Launcher Operation
some Planetary Management
Science
T1/T3 Spaceship Command
T3 Subsystems (all of them)

The middle ground:
Drones
Industry
T2 Spaceship Command

The bad:
Corporation Management
Leadership
Trade

It also gives Navigation skills a very high training rate (the highest of any category, and you need those as well).

Look at all of those categories under the Good heading -- that's most of the combat and support skills right there. No, they won't train as fast as a super-specialized remap, but you can pick and choose whatever you need to train and it will go pretty fast.

Well I know I should get my core skills up, but im looking at choosing between changing to IM now or in 2 months. or even 3-4 months, where each month I train extra gets me closer and closer to never needing to remap PW again (with exception to if I would end up wanting to use different guns or missiles... and the spaceship command, but I would obviously wait until I had another remap to even go near that). So what I'm asking is, does anyone think that the 2% damage to turrets is worth 17 days this early in my eve career? and the 5% *Falloff* (because lasers don't need that falloff range so much)?

As for the battleship skill training and large guns... I guess it would really just be looking at, would I still be ok with not using those two for the next year. With the advent of the Tier 3 BC causing the desire for t2 large as another 'small' issue to bring into the blindness of winter storms, I'm looking at the possibility of using the Tier 3's and why not just train BS to IV while at it... because if I were to need a BS to fight in (fleets), then I could support that to a degree.

I'm trying to work with being optimal via attributes... not sure if I/M will last me a year (since I really only want the skills to IV unless necessary to get to V (aka targetting)).

As for the first response. You are talking about eve... and also... I only get on the forums while at work... so... smd

Don't remap, just get a few of those support skills up then continue training ships and weapon skills. You can only fly a Legion and Harbinger somewhat decently, you need more options imo.

I like option 3 revised...

So overall... Here are the changes I'm making judging on what everyone is saying.

This is an alt so take that into account i guess. My main flies caldari Ewar and Gallente Logi, so he's loaded with support skills and I'm aware (to a degree) of how useful they are.
My remap is like a month away... so

Going to remap I/M as soon as I get HAC access, Large t2 guns, t2 drones, and DI IV. Will train amarr BS up if I have the time, but T2 guns would take ~17 days iirc.
Remap:
putting all support skills that relate to a harbinger / legion (which, for a legion, would be like half the skills in the game) to level III. scanning skills to III.

Specifically after that:

Armor compensation skills to III (IV later)
Signature Analysis IV
Evasive Manuevering IV
Energy Grid Upgrades IV
Thermodynamics IV
Warp Drive Operation IV
Energy Weapon Rigging IV
Repair Systems V
Armor Compensation skills to IV
*Amarr Subsystems V (Finally, but I wouldn't be pvping in this, so it's ok to keep at IV til this point imo.)
Evasive Manuevering V
Propulsion Jamming V
Targeting V
-Multitasking III

Basically following all skills to V at least until my remap becomes available again a year from now.

I think it looks good. Opinions? (I didn't miss the ewar skills, they will be set to III or so since my main handles Ewar Caldari. I will probably not get a pilgrim or curse until late into this year, unless people advise against it... I know it's a great ship, but my main already has drone skills and waiting for drones to train is already annoying in itself.) This character was made originally to pvp in a harbinger anyways.

Isn't the skill you get Primairy + Secondairy /2. If I remembered that right it doesn't make a difference wich one is your high right?

With the remap suggested by Adonis it matters. A lot.

It's much better to have 24 in your primary and 17 in your secondary than having 17 in your primary and 24 in your secondary.

The vast majority of skills a combat character will be working on will are either Per/Wil or Int/Mem (possible exception being the drone skills which are Mem/Per)

So by having a remap where you balance your attribute points between Per and Int you ensure that you will be skilling up moderately efficiently as you switch between weapon/ship skills (mainly Per/Wil) and support skills (mainly Int/mem).

T2 Spaceship Command skills are in the middle tier when doing the INT/PER remap. Drones, Industry, some Planetary Management, and Social are also in the middle tier.

Only Corporation Management, Leadership, and Trade skills are in the bottom 'bad' tier.

Okay thanks missed the "( )" . good to know. This is my maiden character so I started all wrong now using remaps to trian skills most efficiently, though it isn't the most exciting training defence skills without being able to fly new ships or use new weapons. On the other hand when this is doen it's only a matter days before I can fly all frigates with all weapon types.