EVE General Discussion

Why PLEX?

PLEX is one of those unique commodities that allows froobs to play EVE. Back before the world economy went down in flames, most people subscribed, and applied PLEX to increase wealth. A select amount of no life froobs could exploit local resources in a work to live arrangement. All was good.

Enter Incursions, 2b ISK per pilot per 24 hours if allowed to run unmolested and in highsec that is always allowed. The nullsec froob either quits eve or becomes a subber. Mostly they just quit. Post Incursion Null is a vacuum, if you can avoid the roaming hostiles you can earn 50 to 60m an hour ratting if you get a faction mod or two. But only an idiot would remain. Highsec incursions draw 130m+ an hour with no roaming gangs or dependance on drops.

In simple terms incursions killed nullsec, and forced hundreds of nullsec players to quit EVE. Incursions changed the f
population and gameplay of EVE. EVE was a game about the conquest of empires. EVE is now about instanced raids, and who can box the most pilots.

Risk v Reward is now just reward.

NullSec isn't mad about wallet balances, they are mad because they have lost true friends.

Good post.

Yeah but at least his was well thought out and not a "OMG NERF INCURSIONS QUIT EVE BBQ HELICOPTER!"

I love posters that change numbers to bolster their point. It used to be 60, then 80, then 100, now its 130mil/hr? Damn those bears are surely resourceful, and they do not compete for it among themselves, clearly.

Incursions are not a constant 130m isk/hr per pilot isk faucet. Don't pull numbers out of your ass without wiping the bullshit off it first.
130m/hr is not possible to do unless you are in a very specific fleet, with a specific setup, with no competition (which happens all the time), because its not just you and your fleet running, its you and another 100 people as well competing for them.

A more realistic number is 100 in a lucky l33t fleet, 60 ish in an average SP/ship fleet, and much less in a newbie fleet). Your number fails to account, people who leave, people who sleep, eat, **** and ****.

So sir, incursions are indeed a proliferating isk faucet, but not a constant one.

His numbers are sort of on point, 100mil an hour doesn't need a "shiney" fleet just one that is built correctly.

That would be 2.3bil per pilot on a 23 hour cycle.

Since you don't start seeing systems contest till about 100 in system that is a trillion an hour per vanguard system with 100 pilots running, maybe a little less, but no less that 750 bil.

Thus you are talking in the range of 19-23 trillion per day per hi-sec vanguard system.

That's where the problem is. In 0.0 with a t1 bs you can get ~30-40mill/hour by ratting or running anomalies. With a pimp ship you can get 40-100 mill/hour. Similar reward but so much higher risk. There are the sov bills, upgrade costs, fuel costs (to resupply assets) and you have to deal with roaming gangs/afk cloakers etc and you have to participate in huge fights all the time to defend the territory wich is fun and the main reason why people lives in null but they spend the money what they earn one way or another. In the meantime norisk highsec incursion runners are grinding out insane amount of money srcewing up the plex prices forcing all the EvE players who aren't participating in incursion grindfleets to grind more for their gametime.

Incursion is a great feature for high sec players for social interaction and noone denies that. It's not the incursion what is broken but the reward system.

Null and lowsec incursions are a nice quick ISK injection for the neighbourhood but that's all. You can't run with huge pimp fleets from incursion to incursion in null and low because soon or later you will be faceraped by the nearby entities.

But if CCP changes the null/low incursions reward in parallel with the highsec incursions then I don't have problem with it.

Well other null bears report that can operate quite well in their own protected SoV space. When you add all the other lucrative earning possibilities in null into the mix it wouldn't suprise me if you are not more of a plexer than others.

And as far as I understood the differences between areas have been already balanced to afford your request.

Despite that Incursions don't account for the bulk of the faucets, consider the bounties in missions and elsewhere aswell as all other isk generating features. Then you might find the main culprits for plex purchasing.

Plex are sold in the 100k + units per month, and that is quoting figures from last quarter of QEN 2010 so will have likley incresed significantly if the spikes due to crucible and power of 2 are anything to go by. I seriosuly doubt there is that many incursion runners in high sec to accomodate for all of those purchases.

It's not about the single player — it's about how the totality of incursion runners add ISK to the economy. When one player leaves, another takes his spot and keeps up the ISK injection, and on it goes 23.5/7.

Nerf high sec Incursions rewards


PS. Your 0.0 leaders have tech moons i'm sure they won't quit EVE.