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Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#141 - 2012-01-23 10:32:36 UTC
Professor Alphane wrote:
Lord Zim wrote:
Professor Alphane wrote:
So your admitting Alliances/Friendships with bot users ?

This is the kind of question you'd see in one of those press rooms in the west wing.


Thats not a denial Mr President Blink

And that's precisely why. It's a **** question which deserves a **** answer.

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#142 - 2012-01-23 10:35:44 UTC
Professor Alphane wrote:
Very responsible and commendable of you I'm sure.

Well either that or people higher up than you want bots to go unharrased in your space and are just using that for an excuse, ship reimbusment, don't make me lol, like paying for a couple of ships is going to hurt your 'warchest'.

Goons known for there fanaftical hatred of everything not Goon, showing neutrality to bot users, makes you think doesn't it.


I'm part of my alliance's reimbursement team and I can tell you that we pay for more than a "couple of ships." Our reimbursement program, while expensive as hell (70-120bn per month) owns and nobody in GSF has to grind to replace their ships.

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#143 - 2012-01-23 10:37:30 UTC
Professor Alphane wrote:
Well either that or people higher up than you want bots to go unharrased in your space and are just using that for an excuse, ship reimbusment, don't make me lol, like paying for a couple of ships is going to hurt your 'warchest'.

I'm sure we actually care deeply for "our bots", and that the reimbursement is the main reason. It certainly isn't the fact that we actually prefer it when we don't have to deal with whiny bitches and ****** drama day out and day in. Nope.

Professor Alphane wrote:
Goons known for there fanaftical hatred of everything not Goon, showing neutrality to bot users, makes you think doesn't it.

Let's ask TNT, SMA, Gents, FA, FCON and test how we hate anything non-goon.

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Professor Alphane
Les Corsaires Diable
#144 - 2012-01-23 10:45:21 UTC
Lord Zim wrote:
Professor Alphane wrote:
Well either that or people higher up than you want bots to go unharrased in your space and are just using that for an excuse, ship reimbusment, don't make me lol, like paying for a couple of ships is going to hurt your 'warchest'.

I'm sure we actually care deeply for "our bots", and that the reimbursement is the main reason. It certainly isn't the fact that we actually prefer it when we don't have to deal with whiny bitches and ****** drama day out and day in. Nope.



Yes right you spend your time griefing New Eden so they become whiney bitches and drama queens so you can feed on tears now your using 'We don't want no tears' as a defence.

[center]YOU MUST THINK FIRST....[/center] [center]"I sit with the broken angels clutching at straws and nursing our scars.." - Marillion [/center] [center]The wise man watches the rise and fall of fools from afar[/center]
Aruken Marr
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#145 - 2012-01-23 10:48:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Aruken Marr
Lord Zim wrote:
Professor Alphane wrote:
Well either that or people higher up than you want bots to go unharrased in your space and are just using that for an excuse, ship reimbusment, don't make me lol, like paying for a couple of ships is going to hurt your 'warchest'.

I'm sure we actually care deeply for "our bots", and that the reimbursement is the main reason. It certainly isn't the fact that we actually prefer it when we don't have to deal with whiny bitches and ****** drama day out and day in. Nope.

Professor Alphane wrote:
Goons known for there fanaftical hatred of everything not Goon, showing neutrality to bot users, makes you think doesn't it.

Let's ask TNT, SMA, Gents, FA, FCON and test how we hate anything non-goon.


*fist bump*

pussnheels wrote:


Actually people tend to disagree with you , you nullsec dwellers are bunch of paranoid teenagers who still need to get laid for the first time , no imagination , absolute no planning skills by the average blobber,certainly no open mind about what you can and cannot do in this game and what is worse , there is no future , what else are you expect to do out there than to blob up or do another anomoly in between blobs

I am so sick and tired of you socalled nullsec elitist who think everything done by CCP is for them alone and that people shoulkd play this game your way and anybody thinking otherwise should leave or if they don't leave voluntarry , grief them out of the game
and what is most hypocrite of all , you ullsec assholes are the first to cry because they rarely find new members these days anymore and can't understand why people refuse to go to nullsec

You ve done nothing out there except complaining about high sec and the lack of things to do or to explore , there is plenty to do out there , you nullsec assholes are just too blind and too lazy or stupid to see it


umad? Why all the hate? Its unhealthy to project personalities onto groups you barely know nothing about and then proceed to ddemonise them.
Swordfingers
The Swollen Horse Society
#146 - 2012-01-23 11:03:50 UTC
I don't, really, stay in high sec too much, but I sure as hell stay clear of blue sec for simple reasons. Too much drama, commitment and politics for a computer game.

Actually it's an anal sex thing. Some people go on about how it's cool and the best thing snice sliced bread and you haven't experienced real sex without it and the rest simply don't want a bleeding ass in the long term.
Tikktokk Tokkzikk
V0LTA
OnlyFleets.
#147 - 2012-01-23 11:06:38 UTC
saltrock0000 wrote:
People choose highset and oftern leave 0.0 for a few reasons, and yeah if you like to think your a 0.0 ellietist twot then maybe take note of some issues i will raise.

0.0 focuses on moon mining and sov space - this means the alliance leaders scooping moon goo make billions whilst expecting thier members to fly unsociable hours protecting thier isk income.

The alliance leaders treat thier memebrs like total crap and expect massive turn outs for thier CTA's

There is only so much ABC target f1 any person can take in fleet engagements

People need to make ISK to fund pvp ships. Now either offer FULL ship replacements or respect people need to RAT to make money to defend your pos's

The endless lagged blobfest that is fleet battles is just boring, pointless and a waste of time.

This is a game people should paly it for fun



Join 99% dude! We're in NPC space and just lol'ing around! I also tought nullsec alliance was as described above until I join 99% [/recruitment]

But seriously, it is all about finding the right guys!
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#148 - 2012-01-23 11:10:34 UTC
tikktokk tokkzikk wrote:
saltrock0000 wrote:
People choose highset and oftern leave 0.0 for a few reasons, and yeah if you like to think your a 0.0 ellietist twot then maybe take note of some issues i will raise.

0.0 focuses on moon mining and sov space - this means the alliance leaders scooping moon goo make billions whilst expecting thier members to fly unsociable hours protecting thier isk income.

The alliance leaders treat thier memebrs like total crap and expect massive turn outs for thier CTA's

There is only so much ABC target f1 any person can take in fleet engagements

People need to make ISK to fund pvp ships. Now either offer FULL ship replacements or respect people need to RAT to make money to defend your pos's

The endless lagged blobfest that is fleet battles is just boring, pointless and a waste of time.

This is a game people should paly it for fun



Join 99% dude! We're in NPC space and just lol'ing around! I also tought nullsec alliance was as described above until I join 99% [/recruitment]

But seriously, it is all about finding the right guys!


future cfc member

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar
Jafit McJafitson
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#149 - 2012-01-23 11:12:01 UTC
Why people choose nullsec:

People choose nullset and oftern leave highsec for a few reasons, and yeah if you like to think your a highsec pubbee twot then maybe take note of some issues i will raise.

Highsec focuses on belt mining and mission grinding - this means the players scooping cans and shooting rats make billions whilst expecting never to have to interact with other players who may impede thier isk income, despite Eve being a multiplayer game.

The good alliance leaders treat thier memebrs well and expect massive turn outs for thier battle-badger ops and teamspeak concerts

There is only so much target f1 red crosses any person can take in highsec missions

People need to make ISK to fund pvp ships. Good alliances do offer FULL ship replacements and respect people need to RAT to make money to have fun pvping

The endless station games and blueballs that is empire wardecs is just boring, pointless and a waste of time.

This is a game people should paly it for fun

---

I do love posts like the OP, they're a clear indicator of a traumatic experience. To be fair, terrible alliances described in the OP's post do exist, the trick is to not be in them and instead find a good corp/alliance that doesn't have the problems you describe. But wait I'm in TEST and I'm talking about what it's like to be in a good alliance, to clarify TEST is a good alliance to be in it's just full of terrible players.

To live in highsec is pointless, you acquire isk for the sake of acquiring isk with no risk and no interaction with other players, in order to buy a better ship to make more isk , Once you're in an officer fit Tengu then I assume you just continue adding numbers to your wallet aimlessly. Instead you could just stay docked and spin your ship to watch the counter go up and have roughly the same experience. Or maybe you could play a single player game while lurking in a few game related chat channels?

Ever notice how CCP don't make (very misleading) trailers for Eve about what people do in highsec? It's because you're all playing the game wrong.

In closing I'll leave you with this: http://soundcloud.com/firedmn/pubbies
March rabbit
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#150 - 2012-01-23 11:12:52 UTC
pussnheels wrote:

I am so sick and tired

sorry for you... really sorry Sad

maybe you should try to get some fun from game you are paying for?

The Mittani: "the inappropriate drunked joke"
pussnheels
Viziam
#151 - 2012-01-23 11:27:13 UTC
Aruken Marr wrote:
[umad? Why all the hate? Its unhealthy to project personalities onto groups you barely know nothing about and then proceed to ddemonise them.


No not mad , just sick and tired of some alliances arrogance and selfishness and the way they think that everything rn this game revolves around them alone , forgetting that they only represents less than 20 % of all players
If there is a group of players that will kill this game eventually it is them
And if they really think CCP will still be able to support and expand this game on the same scale it is today, when everyone else besides them is gone , well let them have what they want then

I do not agree with what you are saying , but i will defend to the death your right to say it...... Voltaire
Swordfingers
The Swollen Horse Society
#152 - 2012-01-23 11:31:47 UTC
Oh, and many people stay in high sec, because when they want to join, they get stuff like this:
Andski wrote:

sell your character

buy a PvP character

done

or, even better:
Renan Ruivo wrote:

Do what the gentlemen above you said then. Just don't guarantee you will get a SP-for-SP char though... nobody cares about industry and mining and ****....

from this thread.

Those fine gentlemen may have been mostly trolling, but it demonstrates the general sentiment in sov null. Some don't want to conform to fleet doctrines and alliance rules, beacause when they play the game it's "me time".

And now, stop making these threads, we all know that people who wanted to go to null are already mostly there and the rest doesn't really care.
Aruken Marr
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#153 - 2012-01-23 11:46:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Aruken Marr
pussnheels wrote:
Aruken Marr wrote:
[umad? Why all the hate? Its unhealthy to project personalities onto groups you barely know nothing about and then proceed to ddemonise them.


No not mad , just sick and tired of some alliances arrogance and selfishness and the way they think that everything rn this game revolves around them alone , forgetting that they only represents less than 20 % of all players
If there is a group of players that will kill this game eventually it is them
And if they really think CCP will still be able to support and expand this game on the same scale it is today, when everyone else besides them is gone , well let them have what they want then


You do realise this game is nullsec right? The very game ccp advertises is nullsec, the whole pvp thing, empire building, alliances of thousands of players duking it out? The fact that nullsec isnt as populated as it should be is due to hisec catering too highly to the risk averse and not providing players enough information on what null is really like, and how youve gotta get off your ass to get out there and see for yourself. Instead we get players like you constantly bleating about how the big bad goons touched you. Scaring potential players into staying in those ridiculous npc corps, playing solo for 6 months and getting bored shitless by the 10% of the game they actually experience. I know for a fact thats what happens because its what happened to me in my first year of playing and I left. Granted I came back and found a good corp to hang around in with other players until i realised i wanted more pvp.

Its the alliances, coalitions and communities that make this game.
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#154 - 2012-01-23 11:52:41 UTC
Professor Alphane wrote:
Yes right you spend your time griefing New Eden so they become whiney bitches and drama queens so you can feed on tears now your using 'We don't want no tears' as a defence.

I'd explain it to you, but you'd probably manage to figure out a way to not get it, again.

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Professor Alphane
Les Corsaires Diable
#155 - 2012-01-23 12:03:17 UTC
Lord Zim wrote:
Professor Alphane wrote:
Yes right you spend your time griefing New Eden so they become whiney bitches and drama queens so you can feed on tears now your using 'We don't want no tears' as a defence.

I'd explain it to you, but you'd probably manage to figure out a way to not get it, again.



True can't see any logical reason why goons won't be goons and grief and abuse everyone at any opurtunity possible

That's your stated purpose isn't it?

[center]YOU MUST THINK FIRST....[/center] [center]"I sit with the broken angels clutching at straws and nursing our scars.." - Marillion [/center] [center]The wise man watches the rise and fall of fools from afar[/center]
pussnheels
Viziam
#156 - 2012-01-23 12:04:39 UTC
Aruken Marr wrote:

You do realise this game is nullsec right? The very game ccp advertises is nullsec, the whole pvp thing, empire building, alliances of thousands of players duking it out? The fact that nullsec isnt as populated as it should be is due hisec catering too highly to the risk averse and not providing players enough information on what null is really like, and how youve gotta get off your ass to get out there and see for yourself. Instead we get players like you constantly bleating about how the big bad goons touched you. Scaring potential players into staying in those ridiculous npc corps, playing solo for 6 months and get bored shitless by the 10% of the game they actually experience. I know for a fact thats what happens because its what happened to me in my first year of playing and I left. Granted I came back and found a good corp to hang around in with other players until i realised i wanted more pvp.

Its the alliances, coalitions and communities that make this game.



That is your view on the game
My view is that CCP created this game with 3 distinctive areas each with their own different playingstyles
Your saying highsec dwellers only participate in 10% of the game , same can be said about nullsec dwellers who probavbly are using less than 5% of the game , that is if you include counting the plexes you run in between blobs
Granted finding the right and a good corp is essential to enjoy the game fullest , but why then did CCP create a whole player driven economy when this game is only about pvp and nullsec like you say
Should be really easy just to delete all high sec industry , you get rid of all those annoying miners / industry characters and lets do away with all lvl2 lvl 3 and lvl 4 missions move them to low sec and npc nullsec no more npc corp missionrunners hooorah
Now we got rid of all those carebears whinners , ultimate win for all those hardcore pvp only idiots
and what next , you really think CCP can support and keep expanding this game when they just lost 80 % of their subscribers

I do not agree with what you are saying , but i will defend to the death your right to say it...... Voltaire
Aruken Marr
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#157 - 2012-01-23 12:05:22 UTC
Professor Alphane wrote:
Lord Zim wrote:
Professor Alphane wrote:
Yes right you spend your time griefing New Eden so they become whiney bitches and drama queens so you can feed on tears now your using 'We don't want no tears' as a defence.

I'd explain it to you, but you'd probably manage to figure out a way to not get it, again.



True can't see any logical reason why goons won't be goons and grief and abuse everyone at any opurtunity possible

That's your stated purpose isn't it?


Confirming that goons are concentrated evil out to make everyone's lives a missery...
Teowulff Odinson
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#158 - 2012-01-23 12:05:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Teowulff Odinson
Aruken Marr wrote:
You do realise this game is nullsec right? The very game ccp advertises is nullsec, the whole pvp thing, empire building, alliances of thousands of players duking it out? The fact that nullsec isnt as populated as it should be is due to hisec catering too highly to the risk averse and not providing players enough information on what null is really like, and how youve gotta get off your ass to get out there and see for yourself.

Its the alliances, coalitions and communities that make this game.

And therein lies part of the problem. I think many if not most people aren't actually very risk averse. People just don't want to be forced into well established big groups of people and comply to the general rule and group mentality.

What i do miss in EVE is space for individuals or small groups to live and thrive in nulsec. Why should 0.0 space be divided into parts that are owned by alliances? Why can't there be neutral smugggler outposts where individuals can have a place. EVE's nulsec game mechanics (like jump drives, sov mechanics) more or less force people to join existing gangs. So much for your "sandbox" idea.

Swordfingers wrote:
Those fine gentlemen may have been mostly trolling, but it demonstrates the general sentiment in sov null. Some don't want to conform to fleet doctrines and alliance rules, beacause when they play the game it's "me time".

And now, stop making these threads, we all know that people who wanted to go to null are already mostly there and the rest doesn't really care.

Same here. What's wrong with "me" time? It's a game, i want to relax, do whatever I fancy and not be forced into some (mostly silly and childish) group behaviour. I know a lot of people love it but a lot are averse to it.
As long as nulsec mechanics (and size) doesn't really cater individualists, it's not a good place to be for the many independent, non-conformist people among us who couldn't care less about politics and sov warfare.

That's one of the main problems with nulsec and why people stay in highsec, it's not the risk aversion.
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#159 - 2012-01-23 12:07:59 UTC
Professor Alphane wrote:
Lord Zim wrote:
Professor Alphane wrote:
Yes right you spend your time griefing New Eden so they become whiney bitches and drama queens so you can feed on tears now your using 'We don't want no tears' as a defence.

I'd explain it to you, but you'd probably manage to figure out a way to not get it, again.

True can't see any logical reason why goons won't be goons and grief and abuse everyone at any opurtunity possible

That's your stated purpose isn't it?

Are you actually thinking that because we're goons (and we're not just goons, we're the entire CFC), we're supposed to go out and make our own lives as miserable as possible?

Yeah, I can't explain this to you, can I?

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#160 - 2012-01-23 12:10:30 UTC
pussnheels wrote:
That is your view on the game
My view is that CCP created this game with 3 distinctive areas each with their own different playingstyles
Your saying highsec dwellers only participate in 10% of the game , same can be said about nullsec dwellers who probavbly are using less than 5% of the game

Nope. I spend just as much time in hisec, doing manufacturing etc.

pussnheels wrote:
, that is if you include counting the plexes you run in between blobs

**** plexes, **** missions, **** mining. **** them in their tight *******. I'd prefer to not turn into a drooling wreck, thank you.

pussnheels wrote:
Granted finding the right and a good corp is essential to enjoy the game fullest , but why then did CCP create a whole player driven economy when this game is only about pvp and nullsec like you say

You're not getting it.

pussnheels wrote:
Should be really easy just to delete all high sec industry , you get rid of all those annoying miners / industry characters and lets do away with all lvl2 lvl 3 and lvl 4 missions move them to low sec and npc nullsec no more npc corp missionrunners hooorah
Now we got rid of all those carebears whinners , ultimate win for all those hardcore pvp only idiots
and what next , you really think CCP can support and keep expanding this game when they just lost 80 % of their subscribers

Still not getting it.

Seriously, take off your tinfoilhat already and eat your damn anti-bitter pill.

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat