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Aruken Marr
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#41 - 2012-01-22 14:24:43 UTC
Something Random wrote:
Aruken Marr wrote:
Any more, for any more?


Both you and the OP are right, chose to quote you as you have the definitive 'other side of the argument' going on there.

Fact is - there are some SERIOUSLY wrong alliances out there. You wind up in one, your game pleasure tumbles massively. You wind up in one first time you venture out almost certainly your gonna get a tainted view of NULL.

Personally ive had good Null experiences but a couple times ive landed paying for someone elses sub and ships.

Way of the ... Galaxy.


Agreed, totally. You need to learn how to pick em and how to pack up and move on. Or you could get lucky and land a good one first time lol.
Tex Raynor
Guardians of Asceticism
#42 - 2012-01-22 14:28:28 UTC
For reasons you mentioned above, this is why I chose lowsec.
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#43 - 2012-01-22 14:30:00 UTC
Aruken Marr wrote:
Something Random wrote:
Aruken Marr wrote:
Any more, for any more?


Both you and the OP are right, chose to quote you as you have the definitive 'other side of the argument' going on there.

Fact is - there are some SERIOUSLY wrong alliances out there. You wind up in one, your game pleasure tumbles massively. You wind up in one first time you venture out almost certainly your gonna get a tainted view of NULL.

Personally ive had good Null experiences but a couple times ive landed paying for someone elses sub and ships.

Way of the ... Galaxy.


Agreed, totally. You need to learn how to pick em and how to pack up and move on. Or you could get lucky and land a good one first time lol.


"no you see I have experience in nullsec, I was in the mighty Intrepid Crossing alliance"

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#44 - 2012-01-22 14:35:07 UTC
Andski wrote:
"no you see I have experience in nullsec, I was in the mighty Intrepid Crossing alliance"

Hey, I was in IRC for several weeks…

…oh wait. Cry
Aruken Marr
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#45 - 2012-01-22 14:36:03 UTC
Andski wrote:
Aruken Marr wrote:
Something Random wrote:
Aruken Marr wrote:
Any more, for any more?


Both you and the OP are right, chose to quote you as you have the definitive 'other side of the argument' going on there.

Fact is - there are some SERIOUSLY wrong alliances out there. You wind up in one, your game pleasure tumbles massively. You wind up in one first time you venture out almost certainly your gonna get a tainted view of NULL.

Personally ive had good Null experiences but a couple times ive landed paying for someone elses sub and ships.

Way of the ... Galaxy.


Agreed, totally. You need to learn how to pick em and how to pack up and move on. Or you could get lucky and land a good one first time lol.


"no you see I have experience in nullsec, I was in the mighty Intrepid Crossing alliance"


lol IRC...
Grumpy Owly
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#46 - 2012-01-22 14:42:32 UTC
Andski wrote:

fyi we paid out 120b in "partial" reimbursements in december


Well according to the Goonwaffe eve-kill.net board for December you didnt even record that much in lost ISK.

Wonder how much of this "transparent" accounting is really true? P

If its for the whole alliance it equates to then at worst since total losses for the month where 5,661, so on average the worst replacement value would be 21.2 Mil per loss, so ok I suppose if you don't fly anything more in value than than a T1 cruiser under this scenario then your ok.

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It's just criminal - Smuggling
Aruken Marr
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#47 - 2012-01-22 14:47:26 UTC
Grumpy Owly wrote:
Andski wrote:

fyi we paid out 120b in "partial" reimbursements in december


Well according to the Goonwaffe eve-kill.net board for December you didnt even record that much in lost ISK.

Wonder how much of this "transparent" accounting is really true? P

If its for the whole alliance it equates to then at worst since total losses for the month where 5,661, so on average the worst replacement value would be 21.2 Mil per loss, so ok I suppose if you don't fly anything more in value than than a T1 cruiser under this scenario then your ok.


Are you seriously quoting a killboard as an accurate source on isk losses?

Damn you really don't have a clue
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#48 - 2012-01-22 14:47:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Andski
Grumpy Owly wrote:
Andski wrote:

fyi we paid out 120b in "partial" reimbursements in december


Well according to the Goonwaffe eve-kill.net board for December you didnt even record that much in lost ISK.

Wonder how much of this "transparent" accounting is really true? P

If its for the whole alliance it equates to then at worst since total losses for the month where 5,661, so on average the worst replacement value would be 21.2 Mil per loss, so ok I suppose if you don't fly anything more in value than than a T1 cruiser under this scenario then your ok.


too bad our reimbursement program is at the alliance level

http://eve-kill.net/?a=alliance_detail&view=kills&all_id=3799&m=12&y=2011

also you're assuming that EVERY LOSS is reimbursed, we don't reimburse idiots who get jumped while ratting or people who die in empire or in fucking Feythabolis

oh and not everyone files for reimbursement because they're either lazy or so rich that they don't care

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar
Xolve
State War Academy
Caldari State
#49 - 2012-01-22 15:26:48 UTC
Andski wrote:


too bad our reimbursement program is at the alliance level

http://eve-kill.net/?a=alliance_detail&view=kills&all_id=3799&m=12&y=2011

also you're assuming that EVERY LOSS is reimbursed, we don't reimburse idiots who get jumped while ratting or people who die in empire or in fucking Feythabolis

oh and not everyone files for reimbursement because they're either lazy or so rich that they don't care


Confirming, I've been reimbursed by goons (and I'm in a different alliance altogether).
MatrixSkye Mk2
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#50 - 2012-01-22 15:30:35 UTC
Andski wrote:
Salicaz wrote:
All the real pvpers are in low sec anyway.


camping gates is the pinnacle of elite pvp

As opposed to goon campaigns against ice mining ships? Because I don't think it can get any more "elite PVPer" than that.

Successfully doinitwrong™ since 2006.
Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local
Break-A-Wish Foundation
#51 - 2012-01-22 15:38:57 UTC
Some of us have to make the ultimate sacrifice and stay in highsec to keep the carebears from getting too comfortable.
Grumpy Owly
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#52 - 2012-01-22 15:41:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Grumpy Owly
Andski wrote:
also you're assuming that EVERY LOSS is reimbursed, we don't reimburse idiots who get jumped while ratting or people who die in empire or in ******* Feythabolis

oh and not everyone files for reimbursement because they're either lazy or so rich that they don't care


Well you have only quoted one number which isn't in any way substantiated or measured against any of the weighting parameters involved, so like your unlearned slave pointed out I was left having to use the numbers I can find under certain conditions to evaluate things as a valid possibility.

As it would be unrealistic for you to be transparent about your numbers wouldn't it? (assuming they're even true).

How ever way you slice it, it appears your only re-imbursing about 38% of recorded losses. I leave individuals to decide how valued that is. As to be honest I'm a bit disadvantaged talking about "your" figures and i don't trust Goons, never will.

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It's just criminal - Smuggling
Akirei Scytale
Okami Syndicate
#53 - 2012-01-22 15:47:00 UTC
MatrixSkye Mk2 wrote:
Andski wrote:
Salicaz wrote:
All the real pvpers are in low sec anyway.


camping gates is the pinnacle of elite pvp

As opposed to goon campaigns against ice mining ships? Because I don't think it can get any more "elite PVPer" than that.



the goons aren't even remotely about "elite pvp".

If a goon calls you an elite pvper, he is directly mocking you and your attitude, not being sarcastic.
Weiland Taur
The Icarus Expedition
Solyaris Chtonium
#54 - 2012-01-22 15:48:35 UTC
When does this become a succesful troll?
Weiland Taur
The Icarus Expedition
Solyaris Chtonium
#55 - 2012-01-22 15:49:41 UTC
Grumpy Owly wrote:
Andski wrote:
also you're assuming that EVERY LOSS is reimbursed, we don't reimburse idiots who get jumped while ratting or people who die in empire or in ******* Feythabolis

oh and not everyone files for reimbursement because they're either lazy or so rich that they don't care


Well you have only quoted one number which isn't in any way substantiated or measured against any of the weighting parameters involved, so like your unlearned slave pointed out I was left having to use the numbers I can find under certain conditions to evaluate things as a valid possibility.

As it would be unrealistic for you to be transparent about your numbers wouldn't it? (assuming they're even true).

How ever way you slice it, it appears your only re-imbursing about 38% of recorded losses. I leave individuals to decide how valued that is. As to be honest I'm a bit disadvantaged talking about "your" figures and i don't trust Goons, never will.


I meant this as the succesful troll.
Herold Oldtimer
State War Academy
Caldari State
#56 - 2012-01-22 15:54:14 UTC
This post derailed pretty quickly didn't it.

I choose high-sec because that is what I have time for.
Kessiaan
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#57 - 2012-01-22 16:03:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Kessiaan
Nullsec is hard to get into.

My first experience with nullsec was in my mining days. We set up a POS in a dead-end system we rented, and we were too scared of OMG BUBBLES to actually leave the system. And when hostiles did show up and we actually tried to fight we'd get annihilated because we had no idea what we were doing (this was back when nano gangs were untouchable by anything except another nano gang). I don't even remember where we were, I was such a noob then :D. It was terrible and I came back to highsec.

Gave up mining, got into FW, got into pirating. Lived in lowsec for a while.

My second experience was with ATLAS down in Omist. It was pretty much what the OP described. Doesn't help that Bobby was a giant **** either. I hated it, swore off sov. warfare forever, and went back to lowsec.

My current experience is in Stain NPC nullsec with my current corp and I love it. It's pretty much just like lowsec only with much better pve options, no sentry guns (which just get in the way in lowsec after your sec. status drops under -5), stealth bombers can actually do something useful, and good intel channels so I don't wind up in a bubble I don't want to be in.

Conclusions: Your experience is null is dictated mostly by your corp and somewhat by the space you live in. So be choosy when picking both.

KB Link
Aruken Marr
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#58 - 2012-01-22 16:07:30 UTC
Grumpy Owly wrote:

Well you have only quoted one number which isn't in any way substantiated or measured against any of the weighting parameters involved, so like your unlearned slave pointed out I was left having to use the numbers I can find under certain conditions to evaluate things as a valid possibility.


fml...
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#59 - 2012-01-22 16:14:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Andski
Grumpy Owly wrote:
Andski wrote:
also you're assuming that EVERY LOSS is reimbursed, we don't reimburse idiots who get jumped while ratting or people who die in empire or in ******* Feythabolis

oh and not everyone files for reimbursement because they're either lazy or so rich that they don't care


Well you have only quoted one number which isn't in any way substantiated or measured against any of the weighting parameters involved, so like your unlearned slave pointed out I was left having to use the numbers I can find under certain conditions to evaluate things as a valid possibility.

As it would be unrealistic for you to be transparent about your numbers wouldn't it? (assuming they're even true).

How ever way you slice it, it appears your only re-imbursing about 38% of recorded losses. I leave individuals to decide how valued that is. As to be honest I'm a bit disadvantaged talking about "your" figures and i don't trust Goons, never will.


i didn't get the numbers from some random director, they came from API. our reimbursement program assumes that ships are insured, and your numbers come from a goddamn killboard that includes losses of haulers and ratting ships, which we do not reimburse, and structures.

oh and my number includes ice interdiction bounties which were paid from the same wallet so heh

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar
Akirei Scytale
Okami Syndicate
#60 - 2012-01-22 16:17:41 UTC
Kessiaan wrote:
Nullsec is hard to get into.

My first experience with nullsec was in my mining days. We set up a POS in a dead-end system we rented, and we were too scared of OMG BUBBLES to actually leave the system. And when hostiles did show up and we actually tried to fight we'd get annihilated because we had no idea what we were doing (this was back when nano gangs were untouchable by anything except another nano gang). I don't even remember where we were, I was such a noob then :D. It was terrible and I came back to highsec.

Gave up mining, got into FW, got into pirating. Lived in lowsec for a while.

My second experience was with ATLAS down in Omist. It was pretty much what the OP described. Doesn't help that Bobby was a giant **** either. I hated it, swore off sov. warfare forever, and went back to lowsec.

My current experience is in Stain NPC nullsec with my current corp and I love it. It's pretty much just like lowsec only with much better pve options, no sentry guns (which just get in the way in lowsec after your sec. status drops under -5), stealth bombers can actually do something useful, and good intel channels so I don't wind up in a bubble I don't want to be in.

Conclusions: Your experience is null is dictated mostly by your corp and somewhat by the space you live in. So be choosy when picking both.


holy ****, intelligence and actual experience. regarding nullsec. on the forums.