EVE General Discussion

That just makes PvP sound like a little boy running around the playground pulling on girl's pigtails. There's no challenge, no hope for a fight. Just running around screaming "PAY ATTENTION TO MEEEEEEEEEE" and hoping someone takes you more seriously than you are.

I wish can flippers could be forced to play in 0.0 for a month, dragged kicking and screaming for their safe little holes in highsec so they can experience a world where there are no calculated losses and they can't avoid additional risk. That would be nice...

So which is it? Are miners PVPers or not? Using such a broad definition as you do, miners ARE engaging in PVP when they mine and sell their mins on the market. That's not good enough? Is it an affront that they might not think they are involved in PVP?

Actually, that definition of PVP would include most everything people do playing a game like WOW. Those raiders killing Ragnaros (or w/e) aren't killing a scripted overgrown mob with 40 of their closest friends for the camaraderie and sublime challenge of it, they are doing it to be better than the other guilds and players doing the same (or failing).

So if everyone in EVE is engaged in PVP or some sort or another, then what's the problem with miners or mission runners?

Lol

Someone in here was moaning about Goons delivering depressing propaganda.

They clearly need to go and watch this

HHAHAHAHAHaahahahahaa... no.

This is a argument that can never be won by either sides simply because there is no one reason.

You could ask 100 players why they chose not to live in null full time and there is a good chance you will get 100 different reasons, all of them valid.

After this is supposed to be a sandbox where everyone is suppose to be free to do what they like and where they like within the constraints that have been put in place by CCP.

The strange things is I see many people have a go at the goons and yet if their alliance sucked that bad, then they wouldn't have the members they do and be as successful as they have been.

Also I have seen Andski make this point many times before, you can not force people into null, you have want them to come to null.

This is the hard part because there is no one thing that will make this happen, it will be a number of different things.

The ability fund themselves would be an important part but this is something which only CCP can fix.

The other things which people have mentioned, like wanting to be part of something and not just a drone, which is a fair and valid complaint simply because they can only talk about what they have experienced, can only be solved by the alliances themselves.

Its alight if your part of the goons, but that is very little consolation as if your not part of the SA forums you are never going to be a goon and even if you are, its certainty doesn't guarantee anything.

You could be part of TEST but that is mainly for people who really really really want to be goons but never will be.

So who does that leave us with?

CVA.... next please

I don't see any null sec alliances out there campaigning to get new blood in, I see a few who love noobs just so they can scam the **** out the them and then complain players don't want to come to null.. well what do you think is going to happen.

I'm sorry to say but I kind of wish there was an alliance which was the same as the goons but not the goons.

At the very least you know the goons know how to have fun

Well, you sound like you have all the answers then.

..oh dear...

I have spent over a year living in null sec but currently live in high sec.

This is not because I couldn't handle null sec or because I didn't like null sec.

The truth is living in null sec and being stable enough to really enjoy your game time requires a fair amount of time invested into the game.

I really like living in null sec, however after my wife had our second kid (now have two under 3 years old) I have very little time to spend in game. hrad to suport yourself in null when you only log in a few hours a week.

Maintaining control over a couple of systems is a very costly activity for a small alliance. Every member needs to pull their own weight. Our alliance had a good set up where the alliance maintained all POSes, upgrades, jumpbridges, Sov fees etc. And we did not have any good moons to pay those bills.

Each corp in the alliance was required to donate 30m per month per active member to the alliance coffers. each corp was responsible for how they raised those funds. Some held corp ratting/mining/raiding ops a couple times a month where all profits went to the corp, some required each member to pay their share. 30m per month is nothing when you are living in well upgraded systems. you could make that in 30 mins of ratting. but we had enough members that it payed for everything. If you thing maintaining a null sec alliance with sov space is easy you know very little about the SOV mechanics in EVE.

Well back to the story, with my move to minimal activity and not foreseeing a change in schedule that would allow me to spend the needed time to support myself in null I moved back to high sec. In high sec my expenses are minimal and there are plenty of activities that can be done semi afk and others that can generate decent passive income.

In null it is very hard to participate in CTA's when you can have a kid start crying and need to go AFK with absolutely no notice to the fleet. Does not go over well with most FC's. Living in high sec I can go AFK at any time with very little risk of losing a ship. most of my income comes from a self maintained research POS and some manufacturing. mostly passive. I run missions when I can, use research agents, Do PI some in low sec and work at building up my skills so that when I have the time to go back to Null sec I will be able to contribute much more to my corp and alliance.

High sec is not just for carebears for me it was an alternative to taking a total break from the game.

True for many high sec people I've known. It was true for me in the beginning, in my 1st 6 months of playing eve I was scared to death of the thought of 0.0. I ran missions for the most part and that's it. A buddy of mine had some friends in BoB so I put together a brutix they gave me the fit for and went on a roam with them. My 1st pvp kill was an IRC guy, my pvp death was to the other 30 IRC guys also there lol.

Faction Warfare is what got me into pvp, and the corp I joined went to null sec and I went with them. I have now lived in every part of null sec except drone regions, shot every kind of rat, been in some epic battles (and fought epic lag) ect ect. I am such a creature of null I don't even LIKE low sec, high sec or wormholes (I have toons in all of those areas, i like to make isk and sometimes get bored).

Looking back I realize how silly it was to be afraid of null sec, but at the time everyone was talking about how dangerous it was, and when you are new losing a ship is a big deal.