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Nephilius
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#201 - 2012-01-24 01:06:56 UTC
I choose Hisec because it fits how I want to play the game. I can be pretty antisocial and sometimes I just don't want to bother others or be bothered. I can do what I want, how I want. I'm not beholden to anyone or anything, I can log in and out when I please. At my age, it's my type of sandbox. If people want to think less of me for it, that's fine, I really don't care at all. That's their problem, not mine. But as soon as I have to start playing another way, I just won't play at all. It's my sub money, I'll decide how to use it.
"If."
Asuri Kinnes
Perkone
Caldari State
#202 - 2012-01-24 01:21:46 UTC
Tarryn Nightstorm wrote:
If anything, NPC-owned nullsec and w-space are what sov-null should have been...if that were the case, then I guarantee you'd find hisec a lot less over-populated


Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:
Asuri Kinnes wrote:

No.

I mean the people (guys, guys playing gals and those few women) who've been out there, doing their thing, whatever it is, for the last two, three, four, 9 years? Some with the same groups/friends they've been with for most of a decade? Those guys.

So how are those guys making highsec players overpopulate highsec, as Tarryn claims?

As for deep-rooted null players, you'd be surprised how adaptive they can be when it comes to acquiring income on PvE alts so that they can pursue their grudges in sov-0.0 (because most people who moved to null to make money left long ago).


I don't think she/he/it meant that 0.0 players (per se) were*making* hi-sec'rs stay in hi-sec, just that the mechanics of WH's and NPC Null are more conducive (atm - change is in the air) to various player groups who have (or perceive themselves to have) no time / inclination / interest in Sov-Null.

As for the resourcefulness of Null-Sec'rs - I'm already aware of it. Having been on the receiving end of some of that resourcefulness before...

When I lived full time in Hi-Sec, it was totally about building skills (*NOT SP!) and relationships with other players. Since late '08 or early '09 I haven't lived full time in hi-sec. Always surprises me when I go through a gate and there's 20 people there I can't shoot.




Almost lost a Zealot that way once.



to concord...

/facepalm

Bob is the god of Wormholes.

That's all you need to know.
xxanjoahir
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#203 - 2012-01-24 01:32:11 UTC
I left null sec becuase:

Blue list
Too many "I win" buttons.
Convienience of being able to fit ships properly a few jumps away in high sec
Time ( i mean i move freighter loads around in high sec and when RL dictates a few spare hours can do it in my time - null sec you cant do this)
Lag
Blob
No real sandbox - its about numbers
Lost interest
Apparently its risky being in null sec but in reality Intel alarm sounds and everyone docks, runs to pos, logs off, or gets a fleet together that blots out the sun.

Lastly just tired of the whole high sec // low sec // null sec arguement its a freakin game and just becuase your Real life time determines your game style shouldnt mean you are condemned to grinding becuase of "time versus reward".... that arguement in my opinion is broken especially when you come to moon income.

Montevius Williams
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#204 - 2012-01-24 01:35:08 UTC
Tippia wrote:
So, basically, people choose highsec because they don't know any better?

Sounds reasonable…



I dont think thats what they said.

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Lyrrashae
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
#205 - 2012-01-24 12:04:31 UTC
Aruken Marr wrote:


You do realise this game is nullsec right? The very game ccp advertises is nullsec, the whole pvp thing, empire building, alliances of thousands of players duking it out? The fact that nullsec isnt as populated as it should be is due to hisec catering too highly to the risk averse and not providing players enough information on what null is really like, and how youve gotta get off your ass to get out there and see for yourself. Instead we get players like you constantly bleating about how the big bad goons touched you. Scaring potential players into staying in those ridiculous npc corps, playing solo for 6 months and getting bored shitless by the 10% of the game they actually experience. I know for a fact thats what happens because its what happened to me in my first year of playing and I left. Granted I came back and found a good corp to hang around in with other players until i realised i wanted more pvp.

Its the alliances, coalitions and communities that make this game.


How's that Kool-Aid taste, mate?

There are so many things so wrong with this I don't even know where to start--are you really that blinkered?

No, this game is not sov-dullsec. Not even close.

Ni.
Aruken Marr
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#206 - 2012-01-24 12:18:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Aruken Marr
Read the first part of the second sentence. The game ccp sellsis the whole null sec empire building system, it's what they advertise a lot. I'm not denying that lowsec, npc null, and wh space arent part of the sand box. I was just trying to get across that hisec is probably the least sandboxy than most of them. A lot of the things ccp do to improve the game seems to be motivated by getting people into pvp, and getting people out of hisec. Im just pointing out my observations. The centre piece to that seems to be sov null...

Granted, alliances/corps dont need to own sov to own space.

edit- I had to look up that kool-aid thing. Exceptional wit you have there...
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#207 - 2012-01-24 12:24:24 UTC
xxanjoahir wrote:
Time ( i mean i move freighter loads around in high sec and when RL dictates a few spare hours can do it in my time - null sec you cant do this)


yeah moving things around in nullsec is very hard

*fills a carrier/jf/rorqual, undocks, jumps to a cyno*

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Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#208 - 2012-01-24 12:28:22 UTC
the whole "nullsec requires significantly more individual time investment than highsec" boat sailed so long ago that it's completed its second world tour, seriously

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Chopper Rollins
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#209 - 2012-01-24 12:32:08 UTC
pussnheels wrote:


Actually people tend to disagree with you , you nullsec dwellers are bunch of paranoid teenagers who still need to get laid for the first time , no imagination , absolute no planning skills by the average blobber,certainly no open mind about what you can and cannot do in this game and what is worse , there is no future , what else are you expect to do out there than to blob up or do another anomoly in between blobs

I am so sick and tired of you socalled nullsec elitist who think everything done by CCP is for them alone and that people shoulkd play this game your way and anybody thinking otherwise should leave or if they don't leave voluntarry , grief them out of the game
and what is most hypocrite of all , you ullsec assholes are the first to cry because they rarely find new members these days anymore and can't understand why people refuse to go to nullsec

You ve done nothing out there except complaining about high sec and the lack of things to do or to explore , there is plenty to do out there , you nullsec assholes are just too blind and too lazy or stupid to see it




My experience of null, both npc and sov, contradicts this entirely. I mean every sentence, the opposite is true.






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Daniel Whateley
#210 - 2012-01-24 13:19:23 UTC




My experience of null, both npc and sov, contradicts this entirely. I mean every sentence, the opposite is true.






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i double quote your quote lol, has anyone ever heard a fleet on comms in null sec ? some serious stuff goes on in null sec, some have no idea the experience or how many ibis's, shuttles, faction frigates, cloaky-interdiction nullified tengu's go through that we get, how many times we strengthen our plan of keeping neutrals out i have no idea, it becomes repetitive, we lose a lot more ships than most high sec people know of, just to perfect not losing the next one, people in high sec are missing out, and just repeating their missions, how many times have you done worlds collide which i know everyone dreads, get out more and try some null sec pvp whether it solo or with a small group of 3 other friends, you will learn so much, and probably even find better perfections to doing missions or whatever you usually do.
March rabbit
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#211 - 2012-01-24 13:27:56 UTC
Rune Scorpio wrote:
Lord Zim wrote:
Rune Scorpio wrote:
Didnt realize logging in and collecting tech for a few billion a month compared to flying expensive ships and killing things.

Haven't been outside of hisec much, then, have you?


yeah actually. I have alts in wormhole space, null and lowsec. Null happens to be the worst cus its 100 man fleets blobbing all day long with hurricanes. But what do I know?

being in 0.0 for second year i have seen only 1 hurricane here. 100+ Tempest fleet, 100+ tengu/Rokh fleets.... But hurricanes?Shocked
seems like you right: what do you know? Big smile

The Mittani: "the inappropriate drunked joke"
Lyrrashae
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
#212 - 2012-01-24 22:28:25 UTC
Aruken Marr wrote:
Read the first part of the second sentence. The game ccp sellsis the whole null sec empire building system, it's what they advertise a lot.


Because mindlessly following adverts with all the other lemmings is so sand-box likeRoll
I note that the 20-30 minutes of black-screening that I and my old 00TAP/APCOM mates (/sadface--I miss acting like a drunk six-year-old on TS with you guysBlink) experienced repeatedly last time I was out there is conspicuously absent from that brillant "Fleet fights in nullsec = teh awsomesauce!!!11!" trailer for that last dullsec-oriented expansion, funnily enough.

Aruken Marr wrote:
I'm not denying that lowsec, npc null, and wh space arent part of the sand box.


Yes, you are. Your homework for tonight is to learn which logical fallacy/ies you're using to do so, by the way.

Aruken Marr wrote:
I was just trying to get across that hisec is probably the least sandboxy than most of them. A lot of the things ccp do to improve the game seems to be motivated by getting people into pvp, and getting people out of hisec. Im just pointing out my observations. The centre piece to that seems to be sov null...


And sov-dullsec in its' Dominion-to-present incarnation is so dynamic, vibrant, and sand-boxy! Gods, give me a break, already...Roll There is plenty of PvP to be found even in deep hisec, you just have to be a bit tricksy-tricksy to get it, and learn game-mechanics and how to use them to your advantage. No, the centre-piece is not sov-null for the vast majority of this game's paying subscribers and never will be--******* deal with it, and take your thinly-disguised over-entitled crying somewhere else.

Oh, and it helps to not rely on some self-important paranoid kid-ult spamming Alliance mail with "GET IN MAH 3.00am CTA's OR GET THE **** OUT!!!" every day, you actually have to go out and look for it yourself--IE, play your own game and use your brain, and not rely having blob-v-blob "PvP" handed to you by RMT'ing scum who think they're entitled to ******* own your ass.

Aruken Marr wrote:
Granted, alliances/corps dont need to own sov to own space.


Thank you, you just proved my point.

Next!

Ni.
Ehn Roh
#213 - 2012-01-25 00:02:37 UTC
Andski wrote:
the whole "nullsec requires significantly more individual time investment than highsec" boat sailed so long ago that it's completed its second world tour, seriously


It doesn't take more time, it simply takes more planning and forethought, and failing to do so cuts into the instant gratification factor. That's the part not everyone is willing to deal with, and if that's how they want to play, fine.

It never ceases to amaze me how many people get the idea to go zooming off into nullsec or into some crap hole 12 jumps into lowsec with the ship on their back, no spare modules, and no way to produce anything. Every time they get a setback they have to run back to hisec with their tails between their legs.
Xolve
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#214 - 2012-01-25 00:08:39 UTC
Lyrrashae wrote:
And sov-dullsec in its' Dominion-to-present incarnation is so dynamic, vibrant, and sand-boxy! Gods, give me a break, already...Roll There is plenty of PvP to be found even in deep hisec, you just have to be a bit tricksy-tricksy to get it, and learn game-mechanics and how to use them to your advantage. No, the centre-piece is not sov-null for the vast majority of this game's paying subscribers and never will be--******* deal with it, and take your thinly-disguised over-entitled crying somewhere else.

Oh, and it helps to not rely on some self-important paranoid kid-ult spamming Alliance mail with "GET IN MAH 3.00am CTA's OR GET THE **** OUT!!!" every day, you actually have to go out and look for it yourself--IE, play your own game and use your brain, and not rely having blob-v-blob "PvP" handed to you by RMT'ing scum who think they're entitled to ******* own your ass.


I love how bitter you are about everything NullSec/Goons/Whatever..

Every 0.0 alliance occasionally has alarmclock ops, it happens, and its usually of some strategic asset that is important to alliance (or enemy) infrastructure; is it boring, yes; is it necessary, absolutely. Other then that, I've never been even convo'd about not going on CTA's and I'm sure I've missed over 200 in the last 2 months, we're just a busy coalition and we understand that RL comes first.

Half the people online in EvE at any given time are either a Null Sec toon, or the alt of a Null Sec toon; you say that Empire dwellers are the majority in this game, great, open your alliances tab, go to rankings, and find me a empire alliance in the top 10 by total members. You really need to just wipe your tears off your face, pull your skirt down, and stop crying already. If you spent as much time adapting to the game and learning the intricate 'mechanics' of everywhere NOT empire, you might actually enjoy playing EvE.. a little; of course this means finding people that can tolerate you.
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#215 - 2012-01-25 00:17:06 UTC
Lyrrashae wrote:
And sov-dullsec in its' Dominion-to-present incarnation is so dynamic, vibrant, and sand-boxy! Gods, give me a break, already...Roll There is plenty of PvP to be found even in deep hisec, you just have to be a bit tricksy-tricksy to get it, and learn game-mechanics and how to use them to your advantage. No, the centre-piece is not sov-null for the vast majority of this game's paying subscribers and never will be--******* deal with it, and take your thinly-disguised over-entitled crying somewhere else.

The fact is that while dominion's SOV system sucks ass through a broken straw, what CCP has continually advertised has been the big epic fights, and that's what draws the most people here. Not mining or missioning or whatever, but the big fights, the wars, the year-long grudges.

Lyrrashae wrote:
Oh, and it helps to not rely on some self-important paranoid kid-ult spamming Alliance mail with "GET IN MAH 3.00am CTA's OR GET THE **** OUT!!!" every day

Funny, I don't get any of that. I've been in a few alliances that were like that, and I left. vOv

Lyrrashae wrote:
you actually have to go out and look for it yourself--IE, play your own game and use your brain, and not rely having blob-v-blob "PvP" handed to you by RMT'ing scum who think they're entitled to ******* own your ass.

You really, really need to take an anti-bitter pill, because holy **** on a stick, that's some lemony bitter sperg right there.

Again, not every corp or alliance is that way, in fact we pride ourselves on not being that way, and it seems to work pretty well for us.

Aruken Marr wrote:
Granted, alliances/corps dont need to own sov to own space.

I keep thinking how it would be to go back to the olden days when SOV weren't prescriptive. Oh well. vOv

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Aruken Marr
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#216 - 2012-01-25 00:19:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Aruken Marr
Aah fml...

Lyrrashae wrote:
Because mindlessly following adverts with all the other lemmings is so sand-box likeRoll
I note that the 20-30 minutes of black-screening that I and my old 00TAP/APCOM mates (/sadface--I miss acting like a drunk six-year-old on TS with you guysBlink) experienced repeatedly last time I was out there is conspicuously absent from that brillant "Fleet fights in nullsec = teh awsomesauce!!!11!" trailer for that last dullsec-oriented expansion, funnily enough.


Okay maybe youre not understanding me. People are pissed off that ccp apparently shows favouritism towards null sec alliances (i.e. moon goo whines, null sec majority csm etc etc). Now what I'm say is "should they be surprised?"

Lyrrashae wrote:

Yes, you are. Your homework for tonight is to learn which logical fallacy/ies you're using to do so, by the way.


So youre telling me that neglect to mention lowsec, npc null and wh space in defence of sov null is is saying they arent part of the sandbox? Ok maybe "sov null is this game" was a little too... far >_>.

Lyrrashae wrote:

And sov-dullsec in its' Dominion-to-present incarnation is so dynamic, vibrant, and sand-boxy! Gods, give me a break, already...Roll There is plenty of PvP to be found even in deep hisec, you just have to be a bit tricksy-tricksy to get it, and learn game-mechanics and how to use them to your advantage. No, the centre-piece is not sov-null for the vast majority of this game's paying subscribers and never will be--******* deal with it, and take your thinly-disguised over-entitled crying somewhere else.


Mate, who's crying? hisec pvp is few and far between and from what ive seen (other than rvb) is just wardecs on carebears...
Tbf, Im pretty content with the state of my game in null right now. More players would make it better. But when people start chatting like the op I cant help but feel the need to point out that its not always the case.

Lyrrashae wrote:
Oh, and it helps to not rely on some self-important paranoid kid-ult spamming Alliance mail with "GET IN MAH 3.00am CTA's OR GET THE **** OUT!!!" every day, you actually have to go out and look for it yourself--IE, play your own game and use your brain, and not rely having blob-v-blob "PvP" handed to you by RMT'ing scum who think they're entitled to ******* own your ass.


No. Just no. I dont know what your history with this sov null is, but I'm telling you thats not what its like for me and my mates...
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#217 - 2012-01-25 00:32:03 UTC
Lyrrashae wrote:
There is plenty of PvP to be found even in deep hisec, you just have to be a bit tricksy-tricksy to get it, and learn game-mechanics and how to use them to your advantage.


Yes, using invulnerable neutral RR alts is certainly the pinnacle of PvP in this game.

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Nicolo da'Vicenza
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#218 - 2012-01-25 00:37:47 UTC
Andski wrote:
Lyrrashae wrote:
There is plenty of PvP to be found even in deep hisec, you just have to be a bit tricksy-tricksy to get it, and learn game-mechanics and how to use them to your advantage.


Yes, using invulnerable neutral RR alts is certainly the pinnacle of PvP in this game.

sounds like one those goonie dullbears has never felt the heartthumping experience of flipping a can, unknowing if the guy in his raven will try to do anything about it. Never gone on a daring salvage raid, never felt the satisfaction of searching system after system and finally find newbies inexperienced enough to not know how to dodge wardecs
Nephilius
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#219 - 2012-01-25 00:46:10 UTC
Saying that the only thing to do is what's advertised is a logical fallacy. It's like saying that I'll become a uber-vet because the kid from Superbad was one by the end of the Modern Warfare 3 commercial (incidentally, I bought that game to play the single player and see the story to completion, not for the multiplayer). It's like saying that Chuck Norris will kick your arse in WoW if you log in and play. And how many movie have had their previews cleverly edited in an attempt to draw you in, thinking the entire movie is as funny as the previews themselves. It's marketing, pure and simple. It is NOT the Be All and End All of the game. Hell, I started playing because my buddy told me about corps, that you can build ships and stuff, and the interceptors. Sure, PvP was mentioned, along with missioning and mining, but you get my point.

And as for the point that the Goon made about how hard it ISN'T to move stuff about, from Nulsec to Hisec, it's not hard at all when you own pretty much every system out there on the west side, most especially the EC to Torrinos gate. At that point, you pretty much have to be blind, deaf and dumb to get yourself in a sticky situation. Not everyone is so privileged. That's the point that needs to be considered...not the Uber-corp, but the little guy who tries to make headways into Nulsec, only to find it a logistical nightmare. Those are the ones who go back to Hisec. Not everyone wants to be a number in a mega-corp.
"If."
Xolve
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#220 - 2012-01-25 00:47:33 UTC
Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:
sounds like one those goonie dullbears has never felt the heartthumping experience of flipping a can, unknowing if the guy in his raven will try to do anything about it. Never gone on a daring salvage raid, never felt the satisfaction of searching system after system and finally find newbies inexperienced enough to not know how to dodge wardecs


Nah we're too busy crashing fleets of several hundred Maelstroms into Raiden... with mixed success... Lol