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Rage with the CSM.
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Rory Orlenard
Eve Pilots Revolutionary Army
#101 - 2012-01-22 21:40:20 UTC
Martyr Theos wrote:
If you think the CSM is a problem, wait until you wake up to THIS>>>

Who is this man? >>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Björgólfur_Thor_Björgólfsson

What is his relationship to this company and CCP? >>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Novator_Partners

What is the connection between Zero RMT Corps, RMT websites, and people connected to the above?


When you have figured this out, ask yourself why you are wasting your time and money playing a game that is this **cked up.


(Doubt this? So just how is it that supercaps were getting supplied to RMT sites without the collusion of Zero Corps? You can't build those things in high sec and you need a ship building array to do it. Do you think these things can get used without Corps knowing it? Logic dictates that the Zero Corps are in on this. Logic dictates that CCP knows who is doing it. Logic dictates that the investors are spicing up their rate of return by engaging in RMT.)

You guys are playing a rigged game. I'm not the first one to point this out.
Blink

I had seen this on an older out of game site and done some reading.. the links to organized crime are kind of scary. How many game devs come with skills to resist a guy telling them do this my way or you get hurt.
Scatim Helicon
State War Academy
Caldari State
#102 - 2012-01-22 22:30:34 UTC
Xen Solarus wrote:
Are there any statistics on how many people voted,

here you go

Quote:
and what kind of player they tend to be?

The existence of alt accounts in the game would tend to make this a meaningless statistic. If I vote for a nullsec candidate with my unaffiliated highsec production account, what useful information does that give anyone?

Every time you post a WiS thread, Hilmar strangles a kitten.
Scatim Helicon
State War Academy
Caldari State
#103 - 2012-01-22 22:33:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Scatim Helicon
also those of you flipping out with tinfoil conspiracies about how CCP is secretly controlled by the Nazi Illuminati RMTing Lizardpeople as part of a plot to install mind control lasers in everyone's Eve clients should probably find a more relaxing hobby.

Every time you post a WiS thread, Hilmar strangles a kitten.
Renan Ruivo
Forcas armadas
Brave Collective
#104 - 2012-01-22 22:55:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Renan Ruivo
Scatim Helicon wrote:
Xen Solarus wrote:
Are there any statistics on how many people voted,

here you go

Quote:
and what kind of player they tend to be?

The existence of alt accounts in the game would tend to make this a meaningless statistic. If I vote for a nullsec candidate with my unaffiliated highsec production account, what useful information does that give anyone?



So basically 48.097 different accounts voted. Out of over 350.000 active accounts. That's roughly 14% of the EVE real population.

The world is a community of idiots doing a series of things until it explodes and we all die.
Scatim Helicon
State War Academy
Caldari State
#105 - 2012-01-22 22:59:33 UTC
Renan Ruivo wrote:
So basically 48.097 different accounts voted. Out of over 350.000 active accounts. That's roughly 14% of the EVE real population.


So what you're saying is that 86% of Eve chose not to participate and as such have no grounds to complain about those who did.

Every time you post a WiS thread, Hilmar strangles a kitten.
Renan Ruivo
Forcas armadas
Brave Collective
#106 - 2012-01-22 23:02:37 UTC
Two things need to happen, in my opinion, regarding the CSM 7.


A candidate needs to have X number of suporters before he can run for election. This is already going to happen afaik, but the number of supporters required is unknown. I'd say somewhere between 100 to 500.


The election should have a minimum number of voters before it can be declared as over. Somewhere between 30 and 50% i'd say. OR, every candidate needs at least Y number of votes before he can be elected. People getting elected with only 70 votes is ridiculous, no matter how far down the reserve-reserve-reserver-CSM list he is. Ideally, both conditions would apply.

The world is a community of idiots doing a series of things until it explodes and we all die.
Renan Ruivo
Forcas armadas
Brave Collective
#107 - 2012-01-22 23:03:33 UTC
Scatim Helicon wrote:
86% of Eve chose not to participate and as such have no grounds to complain about those who did.


Don't look now. They are. =)

The world is a community of idiots doing a series of things until it explodes and we all die.
OT Smithers
A Farewell To Kings...
Dock Workers
#108 - 2012-01-23 00:02:15 UTC
Hate is probably too strong a word, but okay...

In my opinion the CSM represent no one but themselves and their nullsec alliances. These alliances, even today, represent perhaps the worst thing about the game, and the CSM's suggestions will only make them stronger and more abnoxious.

Their other suggestions -- nerfing the drake for example -- only serve to illustrate how ridiculous they really are. From CCPs perspective the drake nerf is a wonderful idea, we have long known the CCP would just as soon see missiles removed from PvP altogether (server load issues). This is, of course, the real reason why BS sized missiles have never been fixed and these silly drake nerf suggestions keep popping up. None the less, CCP preferences aside, the suggestion coming from (or supported by) the CSM only illustrates how disconnected they are from reality.

As for nulsec and supercaps. Good lord, where to begin...

Screw it, I will cut to the chase. They don't need to be made stronger, they don't need more special protections, they don't meetings with CCP. For the good of the game they need to lose their "I win" supercaps and capitals, and the doors thrown open to the hoards of low sec haters that want nothing more than to bend these zerg alliance nullbear candyfloss unicorn assbandits over and dry **** them. Repeatedly.

But that's just me.

And the CSM and their giggling teabag fluffers can fark off. Nuff said.
Renan Ruivo
Forcas armadas
Brave Collective
#109 - 2012-01-23 00:51:46 UTC
OT Smithers wrote:
But that's just me.

And the CSM and their giggling teabag fluffers can fark off. Nuff said.





Ok then.

*giggles while drinking hot tea*

The world is a community of idiots doing a series of things until it explodes and we all die.
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#110 - 2012-01-23 00:54:28 UTC
i don't think we're ready to see the unleashed beast of 'low sec [null] haters'
OT Smithers
A Farewell To Kings...
Dock Workers
#111 - 2012-01-23 01:21:54 UTC
Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:
i don't think we're ready to see the unleashed beast of 'low sec [null] haters'


true

Take away supercraps and low sec pirates would ravage null sec faster than a catholic priest on viagra goes through alterboys.

Anyway CSM is bullshit and needs to be gone.
Surge Roth
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#112 - 2012-01-23 01:27:18 UTC
Renan Ruivo wrote:
And about wormhole discussion.. i went ahead and read it.

So the people who are mad at what was discussed are mad because something the CSM said, or about something they didn't propose?


The following caught my attention:

Quote:


CCP was worried that the introduction of some sort of wormhole stabilizer would remove
some of the everyday safety that people have grown to expect. Some CSM members raised an
objection to the stabilizer, as they thought it would remove some of the main constraints from
wormhole space that help to keep it different than known space.

Two Step's list of smaller wormhole fixes was presented to CCP, most of which are generally
applicable to POS life. Some small scanning tweaks were also mentioned. It was also requested to
allow Rorqual clone vats to be usable to allow players to switch clones (and implants) within the
wormhole



So the wormhole "module" was a CCP proposed idea, and the CSM didn't liked it.. Furthermore Two Step's proposed changes can't be bad for WH life.


The main thing i saw on there was the CSM arguing that wormholes were too difficult to properly invade, and that can indeed be "seen" as lobbying for a change that would allow their null-sec alliances to properly invade wormholes with blobs of capital ships.

I can't and won't discuss it though, since i can't verify anything that has been said. However i do hear more often than not people that live in wormholes complaining about the fact that its too hard to wage war in there.


I personally hope they don't make it easier to wage war. I like the restrictions wormholes have because I can exploit them. If they made it easier to wage war that would mean I'd encounter blobs more often in these places, something I definitely don't want.
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#113 - 2012-01-23 01:31:35 UTC
OT Smithers wrote:
Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:
i don't think we're ready to see the unleashed beast of 'low sec [null] haters'


true

Take away supercraps and low sec pirates would ravage null sec faster than a catholic priest on viagra goes through alterboys.

Anyway CSM is bullshit and needs to be gone.

example of supercrap free pvp: the eve alliance tournament, a tournament exclusively dominated by low sec pirates
OT Smithers
A Farewell To Kings...
Dock Workers
#114 - 2012-01-23 01:52:06 UTC
Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:
OT Smithers wrote:
Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:
i don't think we're ready to see the unleashed beast of 'low sec [null] haters'


true

Take away supercraps and low sec pirates would ravage null sec faster than a catholic priest on viagra goes through alterboys.

Anyway CSM is bullshit and needs to be gone.

example of supercrap free pvp: the eve alliance tournament, a tournament exclusively dominated by low sec pirates


Tournament? Anyway we should focus on CSMs and nullsec scarebear alliances hiding behind their supercaps and CCP buddies.
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#115 - 2012-01-23 01:55:50 UTC
OT Smithers wrote:

Tournament?.

lol
Vetorept Fera
Doomheim
#116 - 2012-01-23 02:05:29 UTC
I would imagine it's because the CSM is made of null sec alliance guys looking out for null sec alliance interests and content. Let's be generous and assume the null sec alliance guys comprise 25% of the total player pop, this is a quarter of the pop bogarting CCP's attention.

In pace requiescat
Renan Ruivo
Forcas armadas
Brave Collective
#117 - 2012-01-23 03:21:57 UTC
The only "hiding behind supercapitals" being done when the subject of discussion is "The CSM", is the hiding being done by the ones who are complaining.

You hide behind a failed argument.


Or better yet, you hide behind a tantrum

The world is a community of idiots doing a series of things until it explodes and we all die.
OT Smithers
A Farewell To Kings...
Dock Workers
#118 - 2012-01-23 03:33:23 UTC
Renan Ruivo wrote:
The only "hiding behind supercapitals" being done when the subject of discussion is "The CSM", is the hiding being done by the ones who are complaining.

You hide behind a failed argument.


Or better yet, you hide behind a tantrum


I am Willy Freaking Wonka and this is MY Chocolate Factory!
Renan Ruivo
Forcas armadas
Brave Collective
#119 - 2012-01-23 03:59:02 UTC
OT Smithers wrote:
Renan Ruivo wrote:
The only "hiding behind supercapitals" being done when the subject of discussion is "The CSM", is the hiding being done by the ones who are complaining.

You hide behind a failed argument.


Or better yet, you hide behind a tantrum


I am Willy Freaking Wonka and this is MY Chocolate Factory!


Didn't Willy Wonka transfered his sov.. erm.. factory to the little boy?

The world is a community of idiots doing a series of things until it explodes and we all die.
OT Smithers
A Farewell To Kings...
Dock Workers
#120 - 2012-01-23 04:53:36 UTC
Renan Ruivo wrote:
OT Smithers wrote:
Renan Ruivo wrote:
The only "hiding behind supercapitals" being done when the subject of discussion is "The CSM", is the hiding being done by the ones who are complaining.

You hide behind a failed argument.


Or better yet, you hide behind a tantrum


I am Willy Freaking Wonka and this is MY Chocolate Factory!


Didn't Willy Wonka transfered his sov.. erm.. factory to the little boy?


Heh-heh! Yes he did. :)

(And the CSM still sucks.)