EVE General Discussion

Making quite the generalisation that the majority of people are in any way unhappy with the idea of what CSM stands for.

The problem people seem to be commenting on in the main is the corrupt individuals on the CSM whose intentions have selfish interest. As a result it's this belief that the CSM are not fully representating player interests and likley causing headaches for CCP in the process who generously offered the opportunity for the council to help them with improving EvE holistically.

yep god forbid anything but null sec can actually make isk

CSM bitching about incursions yet they sit on tech moons which is a very passive 10 bill per month per moon, atleast incursions actually require you to do something

Jesus **** you are terrible at the internet





EDIT: Redundant post to emphasize how bad you are.

And about wormhole discussion.. i went ahead and read it.

So the people who are mad at what was discussed are mad because something the CSM said, or about something they didn't propose?


The following caught my attention:



So the wormhole "module" was a CCP proposed idea, and the CSM didn't liked it.. Furthermore Two Step's proposed changes can't be bad for WH life.


The main thing i saw on there was the CSM arguing that wormholes were too difficult to properly invade, and that can indeed be "seen" as lobbying for a change that would allow their null-sec alliances to properly invade wormholes with blobs of capital ships.

I can't and won't discuss it though, since i can't verify anything that has been said. However i do hear more often than not people that live in wormholes complaining about the fact that its too hard to wage war in there.

My opinion of the CSM is that they are heavily skewed in favor of nullsec. I've no doubt they want the game to be better. However, their perspective is that of null and all it encompasses. The fault with the CSM is not so much the function but, rather the representation. Obviously, the only place that will support large organizations is null. The wealth to be had in the other regions will not support such focused organization. Currently, representation can only be that of null with minor representation of the other facets of Eve so long as self-interests are not threatened. This is, of course, only human nature.

Mittani being the consummate politician has often sited his suggestions that do not favor nullsec. But, what risk is there in suggesting such when the outcome is already certain? No, this is good politics demonstrating to everyone a disingenuous impartiality.

Unfortunately, as long as null is the moon goo center of Eve and the RMT haven of Eve, the CSM will continue to be null-centric without any hope of change. Only if CCP were to require the CSM to be composed of representatives with devoted investments specific to each of the realms of New Eden (hisec, losec, nullsec, w-space) will the playerbase be adequately represented.

Are there any statistics on how many people voted, and what kind of player they tend to be? I'd be interested to see how many bears bothered, compared to the alliances that i expected voted in giant bloc's for those that would represent their interest.

I've been playing eve for ages, and personally got quickly bored of all the alliance politics and such. Time in null made me pretty bored of being a tiny cog. I joined eve at first because it is the most expansive of all the MMO's, and truthfully, i wanted to own my own system and gain sovergeignty!

But its pretty clear to me that this game is dominated by Alliances, which i imagine is why most people stick around in empire. Personally, i have zero chance of achieving my dream (Tho i do have a wh system now!) When the vote came along for the CSM, i carefully looked into the candidates and voted for the one that appealed to me. I did not, however, know the "greater picture" that these individuals represented, or the alliances/affiliations that they came from.

I think this is mostly the same for many players, especcially carebears, who mostly just want to be left alone and do there thing. If the CSM is really hated for there choices, then perhaps that will galvanize the bears (The majority) into voting in people that will represent their views.

And why is it that null players moan about carebears so much anyways? Is it just their need for a fresh supply of victims?

We don't moan about carebears. We just like to bully them =)

And not because we are mean, but because we want to help them. Every week i see carebears that are converted to PVP'ers but not ONCE i saw a PVP'er convert to being a carebear.

most highsec carebears posting through forum alts have some sort of weird deep-laden inferiority complex against people that play in null

i know that sounds absurd, but is it any less absurd then creating a forum alt because of fearing space-pixel consequences?

The CSM is naturally a big focus point of their online neurosis.

Moons don't introduce a single ISK in game.





Moon goo does not produce a single ISK.
Those who farm incursions, missions and other ISK faucets (ratting etc) do.
It's THEM who *want* to pay for the moon goo.

If people are so willing to pay 10B per moon, then why would moons owners refuse?

It's a market. That thing where there's demand and offer. If there weren't huge numbers of people demanding so much moon goo, then the price would be much less.

Also, if 10B is so good and dandy, play EvE like it's meant to be: harden the F**K up and go take them.
Too hard? Have to stop being a soloer and pour in much effort? Too bad. Others did, you either out-do them or you are rigthfully a minuscule, insignificant cog.




Like in all MMOs and in all RL communities, there are those who step up and take the hassle of forming motivated groups that will end up commanding the others.
And like in all MMOs and in all RL communities, there are the "randoms", the baddies who solo against the world and get crushed and cry momma. Rightfully, no one gives a damn about them. They may be the majority, yet they are irrelevant sheep.

Thats generally true, especcially in the real world. There is plenty of voter apathy going on these days, whats the point in voting if you don't really care/ all the candidates are the same.

That being said, you mess around with people's lives enough and they sure as hell will turn up to the voting booth. Voting is the only power we have these days. Though i'm not effected by anything the CSM has done, they start messing with wormholes significantly and they'll definately get my attention. Seems to me they're definately getting some other people's attentions.

The question is, are they representing the greater good for the eve community (As Democracy is "supposed" to do), or are they representing their individual affiliations needs?

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