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[Proposal] Third mid slot for T1 speed frigates
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Agromos nulKaedi
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2012-01-21 23:31:17 UTC
I tried to put this in the ship balance thread, but it was locked.

The four "speed" T1 frigates are not often used.

Advice for how to get new players into PvP (as I spent weeks trying to research this recently) tends to be either "Give them a frigate with a tackle and have them hero tackle for a fleet" or "send them to lowsec to try to be a pirate, by tackling ships and speedtanking them".

The current "gold standard" of a tackle ship is Propulsion mod (afterburner/MWD), Web, and Scrambler. Three mid slots.

All the "fast" t1 frigates have two mid slots; as a result, prospective tacklers have to be shipped up to combat frigates like the Rifter which may need more skill and aren't as fast. This especially affects Amarr, as the only frigate they can fit a full tackle on is a misuse of their not particularly tackler-suitable ewar Crucifier.

Please add a third mid slot and the power/cpu needed for a new, low skill player to cheaply fit it to the Executioner/Atron/Condor/Slasher. This will make these ships more useful as a cheap PvP general purpose tackle/speed ship for new players to be able to get into PvP right away.

I haven't see this proposed, even though the complaint comes up a lot, probably because most of the people who are active in the debate have by and large outgrown the lower end T1 frigates, and have the ability to buy and fit t2 interceptors which are out of the reach of a new player.
ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
#2 - 2012-01-22 06:52:54 UTC  |  Edited by: ShahFluffers
The "Web" is a "nice-to-have-but-not-totally-necessary" category of mod.

On some ships with 3 mids (especially capacitor hungry ships), I forfeit the web in favor of a cap booster and use a scram (rather than a disruptor) to effectively "shut down" my targets.

Not convinced this is needed.

How did you Veterans start?
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#3 - 2012-01-22 07:53:27 UTC
The web in the gold standard tackle is only there in case your target is faster than you. Like interceptors, the point of the tackle speed frig is to be fast enough that you don't need the web.

Though I wouldn't use a scram on an eggshell of a ship like the speed frigs, as they're there to tackle and GTFO once heavy tackle catches up, and being in Scram range invites being scrammed (DOOM).

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Scatim Helicon
State War Academy
Caldari State
#4 - 2012-01-22 09:35:11 UTC
The speeder frigs are all pretty terrible in any form of combat, and its mostly a tiering issue rather than just a lack of midslots. They (along with the rest of the T1 frigate range) need a pretty major redesign to actually focus them on the role they're intended to perform.

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Agromos nulKaedi
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2012-01-23 16:44:39 UTC
This would be a "low-hanging fruit" type of fix (very little time required) to bring those ships from "terrible" to merely "It's no Rifter, but useful for some things". If you have that third slot you could put whatever in it, it isn't wired to ONLY fit a web. It'd be some extra versatility. An extra low slot as well would likely help even more; as noted they probably need a good looking over. ALL the t1 frigates could use a good review honestly, but if something easy that CCP can slip in quickly brings them up from "laughable" to "situational" it's worth looking in to. Mid slot items don't use hard points, or extra art, or anything.
Agromos nulKaedi
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2012-01-23 17:04:38 UTC
ShahFluffers wrote:
On some ships with 3 mids, I forfeit the web in favor of a cap booster and use a scram..
Not convinced this is needed.


One, on the present hulls, you don't have the slot to fit that booster.

Two, if you think this is "not needed" - how often do you fly a T1 speed frigate? If your corp told everyone to ship down to T1 frigates and cruisers for some reason, would you chose to fly a T1 speed frigate? If you were told "We need some cheap T1 tackle ships", would you advise T1 speed frigates?

I don't think that a new pilot who dreams of someday flying interceptors for the glorious Amarr empire should start their career by being told "First, before you can do anything useful, take this book and train Minmatar Frigate III...", in the most goofy manifestation of the issue.