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I'm not an expert of incursions, but one of the main gripes people seem to have with them is that the incursion runners purposely avoid shooting the mothership so that they can continue to run the regular incursion sites. This, of course, detracts from the real reason that incursions exist, which is to kill the mothership. Seeing how the first couple of incursions actually accomplished this, and seeing how doing enough regular sites spawn the big bad mom lead me to believe that CCP intended people to do the regular sites, and then kill the mothership, thereby ending the incursion and having everyone reap the rewards of doing so. Instead, people run the regular sites (vanguard ones, it seems like most of the time) as it generates more income for them.

This system seems broken, where farming the regular sites is more profitable then actually defeating the incursion. Here's what I propose:

Make a 'gas cloud' similar to the one in the Recon 3/3 mission appear in all incursion sites in the constellation 5 minutes or so after the mothership appears (no cloud in the mothership spawn though, of course). This cloud will deal 2000 (or however much is needed to break the tank of your average incursion running Machariel or Nightmare) omni damage to all ships in the vicinity of the incursion, making staying there not that viable.

This creates incentive to kill the mothership, thereby running incursions to their original intent and keeping the farming at bay.

Also see this post by Spank: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=59656 which I think could also be a good idea to deter incursion farming

First off, Incursions aren't created necessarily to destroy the mothership. That's like saying that the whole point of flying in null sec is so you can use a stealth bombers bomb launcher (extremely narrow scope if you catch my drift).
Secondly, after the mom pops its another day or two before another incursion spawns... so either CCP would need to decrease how quickly the mom spawns or they need to increase how often incursions spawn.

Generally my proposed fix to the whole "wa wa high sec is making sooooo much money" is: Make VGs harder so that their payout is nerfed (honestly this would be a welcomed change as an incursion runner) as well as maybe tweeking the payout to be more on par or a little over a lvl 4 and make the MoM spawn in the mobilizing phase, so as to allow for at the 48 to 72 hrs of access to this content before anyone can end it. This is really a compromise between both parties... and I feel its not an unreasonable compromise.

Actually thats the exact purpose of them, to kill the mothership.

Actually, I think you're right in that regard that just despawning the sites when the mom shows up could work too. (I wasn't thinking and didn't know that could be done while people would still be in the sites ><) Having lots of shiny ships pop like that would lead to backlash more than anything.

I'm just finding it strange that people would rather just run the sites instead of completing them, which is what I thought due to all the RP buildup would be the point, although I guess that's my opinion.

I probably wouldn't have made this thread if it wasn't for the whole "Incursion bears suck!" "No, you suck!" "Tears" etc. thing, while I think it's silly back and forth griping, it's getting people to participate in something which I suppose would be good, and bringing to light issues with incursions. One thing that people are bringing up is that vanguards need a nerf when it comes to payout, which I would support.

Well most INC runners don't realize is that if Mommy manages to withdraw successfully, we all get Zero LP. Which is IMO worth more than the iskies, well carebears will do what carebears do... see iskies and turn into $_$ retards.

I prefer a nerfing in Payout instead of Despawning sites when Mommy shows. (FYI. Mommy shows up in like about 4 hours of Running VGs.)