Player Features and Ideas Discussion

I've got very interesting idea (will probably add it to first post).

Fuel for super-caps can be even a factor, which will prevent alliances from indefinite growing. Let's imagine that supercap fuel block production requires some rare compounds, that spawn across Eve universe randomly and in small quantities, as it was proposed above. This will mean, that:
1) If alliance overcomes some threshold size, the probability that it will lose some of his territories will greatly increase, because alliance sometimes will get less supercaps fuel income, than it needs for even defending itself from all attacks of it`s neighbours.
2) This means that small alliance can try to accumulate large enough amount of super-cap fuel, and then catch a moment when another - huge - alliance will run out of it`s supercap fuel, and attack it. With such operation, even small alliance has a chance to make overwhelming damage to large one.
3) This, again, means that leaders of large alliances will have to keep such possibilities in mind. So they will not spend their fuel for supercap attacks on small neighbours. Again, small alliances become less vulnerable to large ones.
4) Just think about espionage. We will get abother exciting target for it - supercap fuel! Just imagine, that a spy can report you that large alliance ran out of supercap fuel. Or even better - imagine that spy reported you, WHERE large alliance keeps it`s supercap fuel :)


And the larger the alliance - the harder it will be to handle all of this, and keep supercap fuel components income enough even just for self-defense.

Can you imagine more reliable warranty from changing Tranquility to another Chinese server with 1-2 alliances taken out whole universe?

ISK-based balancing tricks do not work for a very simple reason; it increases the gap between the rich and not-so-rich.

The majority of people currently bombing around in huge supercap blobs are the same people who paid double the build cost to buy them, rather than build them much cheaper themselves. Do you think they would care about spending a few bil on fuel to keep them running? The old, rich players with hundreds of supercaps will continue to run them in bigger numbers than anyone else and nothing will change.

If you really want to end supercap domination, restrict their movement (perhaps with some kind of jump drive cooldown) so that it's not possible to cross to the other side of the galaxy in 20 mins. Supercaps might actually die if they can't rely on help from everyone within 100 light years.

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Dude, your proposal sucks. Caps and supers already use fuel to move around and it costs more isk than the ship your flying at present. Adding more fuel is exactly like saying sub caps need fuel to use star gates. And you space poor hobos wont like that at all. If it costs you 5-10 mil to jump through a single star gate with your frigate, you people will throw the mother of all tantrums.

More over, rich alliances wont even bother paying the isk for the fuel blocks, they will just farm the items needed for the fuel blocks free of charge and fly their caps and supers for free anyway. You on the other hand, will be forced to pay isk you don't have just to allow your newly purchased cap to undock someday. then you'l be back here moaning about the rich and the poor.

Your idea wont effect any of the things you've listed, like PI or Dust. People who do PI in supers deserve to get ganked.

More over, your space poor. Eve is not about bridging the gap between poor noobs and rich vets. It allows players who can make isk, to widen that gap simply because they can and you cannot. If you can't make enough isk to afford a super, then you can cry us a river all you want. Won't change the fact that your idea doesn't add any value what so ever.

Viva capitalism. Viva rich vets!

Any other counter-evidences?

You are completely wrong. Consider following sequence:
1) Week passed, PL got 150kkk.
2) PL engaged their full supercap fleet for 6 hours and completely rushed 2-3 small alliances.
3) PL during whole 1-2 days cannot use even single supercap in their fleet
This means, that PL will be completely destroyed in less than one day by several small alliances, each of which accumulated fuel for 1-2 supercaps for 6-7 hours.

This means, that PL will NEVER engage their full supercap fleet in a moment - just because they don't want to die 6 hours later, having all supercaps run out of fuel.

Now, if you have clear understanding of all of this, say me, how small alliance with 10 supercaps, can confront big alliance with 200 supercaps now, with current game mechanics? Is there any possibility/chance, similar to accumulating fuel and catching a moment when big alliance ran out of it? No.

Can single spy destroy 200 supercaps? No. But it can steal supercap fuel blocks rserve.


Now small alliance really cannot do anything against large one at all.
After suggested changes - there will be a chance - even small alliance will be able to knock-down large one, if it will strike in a right moment.

You are very naive if you think large null-sec alliances have
a) income that small
b) less than several trillion isk in reserve to call on.

You have my sympathy for how terrible your idea is.

Let's calc again. Say, large alliance has 5 trillion isks. What does this mean? This mean, that if large alliance will throw all it`s reserve to supercap fleet, it will get only 4 days of 100 supercaps fleet operation. After that this alliance will be killed in several hours.
I still don't see a problem here. supercap blobs will disappear from game forever.
Also if two big alliances will have a big fight - obviously they will spend most of their reserves. Again, small alliances will have a much better chance to finish one of that large alliances. Or even both of them.

And at last - don't forget about that "rare, randomly spawning resource". Which will never be traded in noticeable amounts. All alliances will try to acaumulate it. But large alliances will have to spend much more of it, than small ones.

People, please don't forget, that game doesn't end for large alliance with winning the given Big Battle. It will still need to

1) Move supercaps fleet into and then out of battlefield.
2) Continue protecting it`s own territories every day after that Big Battle.
So even largest alliances will stop using supercap blobs - at least constantly. And this mean that small alliances will be able to confront them even without supercaps at all - just with enough number of dreadnoughts.

I'm tired of reminding these simple things to everybody in person.
Though, thanks for bumping, of course.

It is simple. If spy will take all money from large alliance - it will not change anything - that large alliance will still have a huge supercap fleet, and will still be invulnerable. It will recover it`s money in short time.
If spy will take supercaps fuel - large alliance can die in one day after that.


I don't miss anything. But you missed some possible situations, when large alliace can be forced to run low on fuel. Say, due to war with another large alliance. Or due to successfull espionage/sabotage.


How to buy, if nobody sells?


Logistics is a hard task, and people often try to make it easier - even if it costs them security.


That's great. Espionage becomes very important part of gameplay.