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Aivonen, the Truth
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Hilato Talkori
Vigilans Aeternum
#1 - 2012-01-21 20:17:23 UTC
With the Gallente Federation on the brink of taking over Aivonen, I took the opportunity to research some of the claims of abuse on Aivonen VI. The results were truly shocking. I can confirm that the treatment of Ishukone and Hyasyoda citizens have not been overstated. The breach of Caldari citizen's rights is much greater than I had anticipated. The Provists must be held accountable for these unacceptable acts.

After realizing the scope of these violations, Vigilans Aeternum has decided to seek a different course of action from the one stated previously. It is time for Tibus Heth to step down from his role in Caldari society. His actions have stained the honour and dignity of the Caldari State. If Tibus Heth refuses to step down, and instead maintains his position, Vigilans Aeternum will pursue a course of action to remove him, by force if necessary. After these issues have been resolved, and the justice system overhauled, Vigilans Aeternum will pursue legal action against Hyasyoda Corporation, which by doing so will eliminate the need for further bloodshed,

Vigilans Aeternum calls on its fellow corporations to denounce the actions of Tibus Heth, and to join us in our resistance of his despotic regime.

Hilato Talkori
Khazarn Areth
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#2 - 2012-01-21 20:38:12 UTC
Your evidence, if you would be so kind...

Bloody Omir's coming back Monsters from the endless black Wading through a crimson flood Omir's come to drink your blood

Hilato Talkori
Vigilans Aeternum
#3 - 2012-01-21 22:56:32 UTC
Khazarn Areth wrote:
Your evidence, if you would be so kind...

If you can offer a method of my providing evidence, I would do so. However in the current circumstances, I see no way to support it other than my word.
Istvaan Shogaatsu
Guiding Hand Social Club
#4 - 2012-01-21 23:02:34 UTC
No worries. Heth isn't going to last. A people who believe in the merit of qualification won't tolerate him much longer.

The only question remaining is whether it will be by tea, or bullets.
Hilato Talkori
Vigilans Aeternum
#5 - 2012-01-21 23:29:14 UTC
Istvaan Shogaatsu wrote:
No worries. Heth isn't going to last. A people who believe in the merit of qualification won't tolerate him much longer.

The only question remaining is whether it will be by tea, or bullets.

I hope you are right. Though at this point it would appear that the only course is with bullets. Power is corrupting, and Tibus Heth does not seem like the kind of man who is willing to give it up.
Alena Strazinka
Vapautusliike
#6 - 2012-01-22 08:39:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Alena Strazinka
The Aivonen system has been lost to the Gallente Federation. Another star system, discovered, colonized, and supported by the Megacorporations, has been squandered away in Tibus Heth's loosing war.

Heth plays with Caldari lives like poker chips. He has no concern for the outcome of the conflict outside of what impacts his personal, economic, and political interests.

Should we continue to stand idly by while the Provists discriminate against the Ishukone? Infringe on corporate sovereignty in almost every aspect and detail?

Vapautusliike will avenge a hundred fold every grievance taken against the dignity of a Caldari citizen by the Provists. Our determination is fueled by the injustices conducted on scores of worlds by Provist thugs.

We no longer tolerate the waste, in terms of humanity and materiel, of the resources of our glorious State.

Vapautusliike will release statements in the coming weeks for actions that can be taken by capsuleers loyal to the True State against the Provists; together we can begin to roll back Heth's corruption, now.

If we simply wait for the 'inevitable' to occur, it will never come about. We must be the ones to make that desired outcome take place.
Seriphyn Inhonores
Elusenian Cooperative
#7 - 2012-01-22 12:25:34 UTC
A dictator acting like a dictator shouldn't be surprising anyone.
Khazarn Areth
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#8 - 2012-01-22 13:53:36 UTC
Hilato Talkori wrote:
Khazarn Areth wrote:
Your evidence, if you would be so kind...

If you can offer a method of my providing evidence, I would do so. However in the current circumstances, I see no way to support it other than my word.


Then you have little hope of drumming up support for this cause.

Bloody Omir's coming back Monsters from the endless black Wading through a crimson flood Omir's come to drink your blood

wurblewind
Filthy Peasants
Intergalactic Space Hobos
#9 - 2012-01-22 15:02:14 UTC
It may not be my place to say this, but I wish your movement the best as it works to gather support. I've always held respect for the Caldari peoples, but Tibus Heth is spoiling them, turning the common misconception of the "apathetic, self-serving, and power-hungry Caldari demons" into a dangerous reality, throwing away countless lives, betraying the trust of old allies, and propelling on those old prejudices, all for his own profit, not that of the people whom he leads. With the threat of Nation here, they need Heth gone so the State can truly unite. Then the whole cluster profits...

[center]Keep low, fly fast, die well.[/center]
Hilato Talkori
Vigilans Aeternum
#10 - 2012-01-22 19:44:55 UTC
wurblewind wrote:
It may not be my place to say this, but I wish your movement the best as it works to gather support. I've always held respect for the Caldari peoples, but Tibus Heth is spoiling them, turning the common misconception of the "apathetic, self-serving, and power-hungry Caldari demons" into a dangerous reality, throwing away countless lives, betraying the trust of old allies, and propelling on those old prejudices, all for his own profit, not that of the people whom he leads. With the threat of Nation here, they need Heth gone so the State can truly unite. Then the whole cluster profits...

Thank you very much, and you are free to say whatever you want here at the Summit. I am glad to see that there are more who realize the danger that Tibus Heth poses. It is important for all people, and especially the Caldari people to wake up and stop him before it is too late.
Erik Kaassan
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#11 - 2012-01-22 19:51:07 UTC
I hold an alleigance to the state but not its despotic leader. Tibus Heth will not stand for long. The Caldari people are not ignorant to his corruption. You have my personal support sir in whatever capacity I am able.
Hilato Talkori
Vigilans Aeternum
#12 - 2012-01-22 20:12:09 UTC
Erik Kaassan wrote:
I hold an alleigance to the state but not its despotic leader. Tibus Heth will not stand for long. The Caldari people are not ignorant to his corruption. You have my personal support sir in whatever capacity I am able.

Your assistance will be greatly valued, I will keep you in mind when we have need of you.
Desiderya
Blue Canary
Watch This
#13 - 2012-01-22 21:36:07 UTC
And here I was looking forward to someone showing evidence.

If you're talking big about 'the truth' you shouldn't rely on people taking your word for it, especially with big claims like these.

The real situation there would probably be a less rousing story. But do go ahead and try to sell your stories. I suggest contacting Muck Raker.

Ruthlessness is the kindness of the wise.
Hilato Talkori
Vigilans Aeternum
#14 - 2012-01-22 22:55:00 UTC
Desiderya wrote:
And here I was looking forward to someone showing evidence.

If you're talking big about 'the truth' you shouldn't rely on people taking your word for it, especially with big claims like these.

The real situation there would probably be a less rousing story. But do go ahead and try to sell your stories. I suggest contacting Muck Raker.


As previously stated, if you can present a method of confirming what I have seen, I will make every attempt to use it.
Desiderya
Blue Canary
Watch This
#15 - 2012-01-22 23:15:29 UTC
If you have to ask that question you simply don't have any evidence at hand.

Any information from Hyasoda or Ishukone officials might be of interest as well. They would surely notice the absence of their employees.
Not all things work like they should, especially in war-times. But you and your dear colleague are bloating an issue - that is, if there is one to start with - massively to fuel your own political agendas.

Ruthlessness is the kindness of the wise.
Alena Strazinka
Vapautusliike
#16 - 2012-01-23 01:33:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Alena Strazinka
Desiderya wrote:
If you have to ask that question you simply don't have any evidence at hand.

Any information from Hyasoda or Ishukone officials might be of interest as well. They would surely notice the absence of their employees.
Not all things work like they should, especially in war-times. But you and your dear colleague are bloating an issue - that is, if there is one to start with - massively to fuel your own political agendas.



Our only political agenda, as you say, Desiderya, is the survival of the Caldari State. Unfortunately, there are many misconceptions about the present situation with those capsuleers that live in Caldari Sovereign Space. It may seem to them that everything continues as it has for the past decade.

This is not the case.

On a daily basis, citizens of the Caldari State are conscripted and sent to the front lines of the loosing war with the Gallente Federation. Ishukone, in particular, has received an unfair burden in this, with a disproportionate number of their citizens forcibly conscripted from their families, as a punishment to the megacorporation by Tibus Heth.

The Caldari Providence Directorate dictates many aspects of military and industrial affairs within the State. They have become a 'government', which all the megacorporations must bow down to and cater to in order for their prosperity to be preserved. The CPD is a "Caldari" organization only in name, and reeks of the worst forms of federal governments and empires over the millennia.

The idea that we are supposed to relax and wait for the man who is destroying the State to die of old age is little more than insanity.

If we are to ensure that Tibus Heth is removed from power, we must do it ourselves. If we are to secure against any future Heths from rising to power, then the same form of organization and collaboration that Vapautusliike advocates is required.

Caldari capsuleers that are concerned with the present situation within the State should not be against our cause, but with it. Together, we can reinstitute the hundreds of years of Caldari tradition and corporate sovereignty that Tibus Heth overthrew in a fortnight.

Regarding the situation in Aivonen, the facts are clear. Ishukone citizens are being abducted and sent to war, restrictions are being made on their freedom of movement on planets and in space. There is little more to be said other than to ask: why do we let Tibus Heth stay in power?
Hilato Talkori
Vigilans Aeternum
#17 - 2012-01-23 02:18:06 UTC
Desiderya wrote:
If you have to ask that question you simply don't have any evidence at hand.

Any information from Hyasoda or Ishukone officials might be of interest as well. They would surely notice the absence of their employees.
Not all things work like they should, especially in war-times. But you and your dear colleague are bloating an issue - that is, if there is one to start with - massively to fuel your own political agendas.


Much of what I was going to say was already said by Mrs. Strazinka; However, I would like to address a couple more points. While I cannot fully confirm the reasons Hyasyoda or Ishukone officials are not speaking out, I can venture a guess. Tibus Heth effectively controls the Caldari State as it is known today. Speaking out against his tyranny is not something that most people can afford to do. As capsuleers, we have the unique privilege of not having to fear death or retribution in the same sense that most people do. We have been made able to speak our thoughts and stand up for what is just. Even if only a few people are willing to recognize the truth, that does not keep it from being true.

The truth is that Tibus Heth has been exploiting the citizens of the State. This is unacceptable, and as the situation on Aivonen VI shows, it is more dire than I had previously thought.

As Mrs. Strazinka said, our only 'agenda' is the survival of the Caldari State and its people. The only way to achieve this goal is to stand up for the truth and to do what is right. This requires actually looking at what is happening in the State and realizing that Tibus Heth has gone too far. This is why we report the tyranny committed on Aivonen VI, and this is why we are willing to fight for what is right.
Jowen Datloran
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#18 - 2012-01-23 09:45:31 UTC
So what's going on in Aivonen VI?

Never heard about the place before. The local hoodlums causing trouble?

Mr. Science & Trade Institute, EVE Online Lorebook 

Desiderya
Blue Canary
Watch This
#19 - 2012-01-23 12:20:52 UTC
Alena Strazinka wrote:

Caldari capsuleers that are concerned with the present situation within the State should not be against our cause, but with it. Together, we can reinstitute the hundreds of years of Caldari tradition and corporate sovereignty that Tibus Heth overthrew in a fortnight.

Regarding the situation in Aivonen, the facts are clear. Ishukone citizens are being abducted and sent to war, restrictions are being made on their freedom of movement on planets and in space. There is little more to be said other than to ask: why do we let Tibus Heth stay in power?


What you claim to be happening in Aivonen has nothing to do with the conscriptions. I fail to see the connection.

But I shall answer your question after covering the first paragraph.
The hundreds of years of tradition have been reinforced by Heth. It's still the case for the population, the sorry state of affairs with Ishukone aside, but the scale there is unclear as well.
I'm not a friend of Heth and his provist junta, and I never have been. But claiming that he's exploiting the State is madness. He wouldn't be in his position if he wouldn't have support - and the provists certainly are not the kind of support he needs to stay up top.

Why do we, as the caldari people, let him stay in power?
We've reclaimed our homeworld and managed to fight corruption in our ranks, we've re-established base principles of our meritocratic ideals.
He's overstepping his responsibilities and maybe it's slowly time to let him drop again.
Doing so in wartime, however, is the opposite of prudence. You're doing more damage than good that way.

Ruthlessness is the kindness of the wise.
Hilato Talkori
Vigilans Aeternum
#20 - 2012-01-23 13:56:33 UTC
Jowen Datloran wrote:
So what's going on in Aivonen VI?

Never heard about the place before. The local hoodlums causing trouble?

Ishukone and Hyasyoda's citizens are being abused and taken advantage of by Provists under the command of Tibus Heth.

Desiderya wrote:
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I'm not a friend of Heth and his provist junta, and I never have been. But claiming that he's exploiting the State is madness. He wouldn't be in his position if he wouldn't have support - and the provists certainly are not the kind of support he needs to stay up top.

Why do we, as the caldari people, let him stay in power?
We've reclaimed our homeworld and managed to fight corruption in our ranks, we've re-established base principles of our meritocratic ideals.
He's overstepping his responsibilities and maybe it's slowly time to let him drop again.
Doing so in wartime, however, is the opposite of prudence. You're doing more damage than good that way.

The support Tibus Heth has is a direct result of the fear of what he might do without that support. What megacorporation wishes to go against the 'State.' Tibus Heth has control of the State Protectorate and the Caldari Navy, why would any of these corporations want to risk everything they have built?

Yes, Tibus Heth helped in the reclaiming of Caldari Prime, and for that I am grateful. However, without Tibus Heth, we would have done it eventually, his actions only hastened it. As you even admit, Tibus Heth has overstepped his reponsibilities.

As far as your claim of doing this during wartime. To let this continue for an unknown length of time is asking for us to let the State be destroyed. I would venture to say that the only reason Tibus Heth has stayed in power this long is because he has maintained the war with the Federation. It helps him keep the balance of power shifted towards himself. As wurblewind stated earlier, with the threat of the Nation already here, it is time that we get rid of Heth so that we can unite to deal with the more important threat.
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