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5nipe
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#1 - 2012-01-21 15:12:47 UTC
Grats! More stuff to loot on 24th: New Pithum (Gistum) A(B,C)-Type Invulnerability Field
XXSketchxx
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
#2 - 2012-01-21 16:12:52 UTC
Thread lacks content.
Broken Thoughts
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#3 - 2012-01-21 17:24:38 UTC
ninja wyvern buff?
5nipe
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#4 - 2012-01-21 17:36:24 UTC
XXSketchxx wrote:
Thread lacks content.


Do u want content? Here we go if you cant figure anything yourself
And if you want to post something useful not with only content about other post has no content, can you please give us a little bit of insider information how market prices for CNIF/DGIF be affected by new modules, and what should we do with ours? Sell, hold, reprocess?

And by the way, may be you did your research on SiSI server already and can tell us by now which complexes will drop each module and what would be drop rate?

therefore bonuses (%):

Caldari Navy/Dread Guristas IF 37.5

Gistum C-Type 43,75
Gistum B-Type 40,625
Gistum C-Type 37,5

Pitthum C-Type 40,625
Pitthum B-Type 43,75
Pitthum A-Type 46,875
XXSketchxx
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
#5 - 2012-01-21 18:21:35 UTC
Thread now has rage.

I approve of content.
Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
#6 - 2012-01-21 18:52:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Zhilia Mann
5nipe wrote:
And by the way, may be you did your research on SiSI server already and can tell us by now which complexes will drop each module and what would be drop rate?


Drop rates I'm not sure on, but it's pretty clear where they'll drop. I outlined it here, but basically Gurista and Angel 4, 5, and 6/10s for C, B, and A respectively.

5nipe wrote:
And if you want to post something useful not with only content about other post has no content, can you please give us a little bit of insider information how market prices for CNIF/DGIF be affected by new modules, and what should we do with ours? Sell, hold, reprocess?


Got that one over in Ships and Mods here. CN/DG won't drop much if at all.

Edit: if I had to speculate on drop rates and prices, I'd think we could look to deadspace EANMs for both (so topping out at about 1.4 bil for the Pithum A-type, though this might be low considering how much people love their invulns). Gurista low sec is getting even richer.
5nipe
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#7 - 2012-01-21 19:27:53 UTC  |  Edited by: 5nipe
Zhilia Mann wrote:
5nipe wrote:
And by the way, may be you did your research on SiSI server already and can tell us by now which complexes will drop each module and what would be drop rate?


Drop rates I'm not sure on, but it's pretty clear where they'll drop. I outlined it here, but basically Gurista and Angel 4, 5, and 6/10s for C, B, and A respectively.




Is XXSketchxx your char for forum trolling? Big smile

On serious none:

You can get A/B/C Type modules not only from DED complexes but also at last step of non-rated combat complexes expedition.

Example: Guristas Outpost (low sec not rated) lead you to 0.0 and can drop A-Type medium shield booster, which is attribute of DED 6/10.

Guristas Watch last step in low sec drops A-type medium SB and it is attribute of DED 3/10.

a bit off topic, just want to use occasion:

Actually, I expect and hope CCP will revise drop table for Watch and Vigils sites at some point. Due to drops schema logic and since 5/10 and 3/10 been introduced, last step should drop B-Type med modules, not A-Type small and Gila BPC instead of Worm. Just some thoughts.
XXSketchxx
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
#8 - 2012-01-21 19:50:07 UTC
whoa whoa whoa

I'm no alt, nor am I a troll
XXSketchxx
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
#9 - 2012-01-21 19:53:43 UTC
5nipe wrote:


On serious none:

You can get A/B/C Type modules not only from DED complexes but also at last step of non-rated combat complexes expedition.

Example: Guristas Outpost (low sec not rated) lead you to 0.0 and can drop A-Type medium shield booster, which is attribute of DED 6/10.

Guristas Watch last step in low sec drops A-type medium SB and it is attribute of DED 3/10.

a bit off topic, just want to use occasion:

Actually, I expect and hope CCP will revise drop table for Watch and Vigils sites at some point. Due to drops schema logic and since 5/10 and 3/10 been introduced, last step should drop B-Type med modules, not A-Type small and Gila BPC instead of Worm. Just some thoughts.


wat

Watch/vigils drop a-type smalls and worm bpcs

I agree that watch should drop b-type small but vigil should continue to drop a-type small
Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
#10 - 2012-01-21 21:22:54 UTC
5nipe wrote:

Is XXSketchxx your char for forum trolling? Big smile


You aren't the first person to ask that. But no, THIS is my forum trolling alt.

5nipe wrote:

You can get A/B/C Type modules not only from DED complexes but also at last step of non-rated combat complexes expedition.

Example: Guristas Outpost (low sec not rated) lead you to 0.0 and can drop A-Type medium shield booster, which is attribute of DED 6/10.


And anywhere A-type -um modules drop, other, new A-type -um modules will drop. But check your notes on
Watch; that should be dropping A-type -i modules -- so no invulns.

Frankly I'm a little surprised we're talking Pithum/Gistum invulns. Pith/Gist would make sense to me -- but then I guess you'd have to have an X type which... meh.
5nipe
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#11 - 2012-01-21 22:36:48 UTC  |  Edited by: 5nipe
I don't assume you are troll in any form, since your posts are useful and informative.

Regarding Watc/Vigil: it is completely different topic (off topic) and I just brought it by the way. IMHO whole concept of expeditions mechanics for this sites should be a bit tuned. A-Type small shield booster was ok for Watch(Vigil) as the only source before 3/10, but now it'll have more sense to have B-Med instead. And I don't expect to see new INVs drops along Watch (Guristas), especially it drops DGIF from time to time (and it is factional mod anyway) along with pirates Implants.

Why Pithum/Gistum? I have no idea, I guess CCP knows what they are doing.

I think we all will know in time what, where and how much. May be yet another nice little surprise and couple new DED complexes with new patch?
XXSketchxx
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
#12 - 2012-01-21 22:57:32 UTC
I doubt we'll see any new DED plexes.

As for the new invulns, they really shouldn't be medium mods. They are going to be very valuable and tbh that sort of value should come with the risk of null sec and thus DED 7/8/9 plexes.
Elindreal
Planetary Interactors
#13 - 2012-01-21 23:02:43 UTC
cn invulns have already dropped 100m isk
dunno if they'll drop more
Mnemosyne Gloob
#14 - 2012-01-21 23:14:04 UTC
XXSketchxx wrote:
I doubt we'll see any new DED plexes.

As for the new invulns, they really shouldn't be medium mods. They are going to be very valuable and tbh that sort of value should come with the risk of null sec and thus DED 7/8/9 plexes.


I can understand that there sort of need to be deadspace versions of invulnerability fields ... but looking at the whole armor vs. shield mods 'go rate' it will makes the disparity even larger. As if Gurista mods aren't already the most sought after.

I really hope that at some point some tweaking will be done to armor mods, to make them actually unique. That alone won't do it however, because lets face it: pimp tanks are probably 90% shield bacause of how it all works (gank and tank). The only thing making high grade deadspace eanms go for what they do are supers/titans.

Angels/Guristas space will be overflowing even more soon :)
Spineker
#15 - 2012-01-21 23:14:16 UTC
Cant drop much was not a 100m isk profit in LP trading for them to start with. not with tags the price they are.

These others are going to be billion+ mods
Spineker
#16 - 2012-01-21 23:21:45 UTC
Time to dust off the plexing boats.
XXSketchxx
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
#17 - 2012-01-21 23:32:15 UTC
Mnemosyne Gloob wrote:


I can understand that there sort of need to be deadspace versions of invulnerability fields ... but looking at the whole armor vs. shield mods 'go rate' it will makes the disparity even larger. As if Gurista mods aren't already the most sought after.

I really hope that at some point some tweaking will be done to armor mods, to make them actually unique. That alone won't do it however, because lets face it: pimp tanks are probably 90% shield bacause of how it all works (gank and tank). The only thing making high grade deadspace eanms go for what they do are supers/titans.

Angels/Guristas space will be overflowing even more soon :)


Seconding this. Armor mods are largely a joke in terms of loot; no differentiation basically means 3x the supply of shield mods (since gurista/angel mods are different), which ultimately means less reward for those mods.

Perhaps this is intended by CCP, but it seems kind of silly.
5nipe
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#18 - 2012-01-22 00:47:12 UTC
The prices for Armor/Shields are driven by market demands.

Top of the line Corpii A-Type Small armor repair is about 45 Mils compare to Pithi small SB 300+ Mils.

Who wants to fit 300 mils mod in the Tengu? Whole army of explorers of all sorts.
Who wants to fit even 40 Mils small armor rep (in most cases not as good as t2 med) into PvP ship. Just a few I guess.

It is interesting to observe how c-type med SB still around 350+ despite the fact how many of them digged every day.

It would be really exiting to check out prices for the first A-Type Inv on the market.

We can run nice little lottery and pull some ISK as the prise for the first who get it and makes a contract. :-)
Who is ready to be an escrow? :-)
XXSketchxx
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
#19 - 2012-01-22 02:40:48 UTC
You're right about the demand but you're not factoring in supply. The fact is that many of the armor mods across the factions HAVE THE EXACT SAME STATS. For example, the corpii mod you are referencing has the exact same stats as the centii version of it. To me, this is pure laziness on CCP's part. Mods like this should be differentiated somehow. If they were different, there would be different demand and the supply for the modules would actually be separate instead of redundant. Pith and gist boosters trade cap for boost amount, armor mods should have similar differentiation.

As it stands, we essentially have the same modules across all the factions that drop armor modules.
XXSketchxx
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
#20 - 2012-01-22 02:45:27 UTC
I'll give you an example for armor reps.

Sansha could have the best armor rep amount.

Blood Raiders could have the least cap usage.

Serpentis could have lower CPU/power requirements than the other two.

Thats the sort of differentiation that should be applied across the board to armor mods.
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