These forums have been archived and are now read-only.

The new forums are live and can be found at https://forums.eveonline.com/

Assembly Hall

 
  • Topic is locked indefinitely.
Previous page123Next page
 

[Proposal] Make Ninja Salvaging a Criminal Action
Author
Previous Topic Next Topic
Tarryn Nightstorm
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
#21 - 2012-01-24 14:03:19 UTC
Oh look, it's this thread.

Again.UghRoll

Star Wars: the Old Republic may not be EVE. But I'll take the sound of dual blaster-pistols over "NURVV CLAOKING NAOW!!!11oneone!!" any day of the week.
Vertisce Soritenshi
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#22 - 2012-01-24 15:17:49 UTC
We should bump this thread daily...it is so important that it deserves it.

Bounties for all! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2279821#post2279821
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#23 - 2012-01-24 17:45:24 UTC
Chilibob wrote:
I am not sure if this has been brought up before...



Roll

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Drake Draconis
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#24 - 2012-01-24 17:51:27 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
Chilibob wrote:
I am not sure if this has been brought up before...



Roll



Yep... I just about had a seizure when I saw that.Shocked

================ STOP THE EVEMAIL SPAM! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=78152
Domukuan II
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#25 - 2012-01-24 22:50:41 UTC
Requesting lock so this stops getting bumped... Roll
Drake Draconis
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#26 - 2012-01-24 22:54:26 UTC
Domukuan II wrote:
Requesting lock so this stops getting bumped... Roll


Agreed.

================ STOP THE EVEMAIL SPAM! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=78152
FloppieTheBanjoClown
Arcana Imperii Ltd.
#27 - 2012-01-24 23:09:24 UTC  |  Edited by: FloppieTheBanjoClown
Black Dranzer wrote:
You won't get any counter-arguments or reasoning, either.


The counter-argument was posted THREE DAYS before you said this. FFS the thread was half a page long, you couldn't be bothered to read it?

I really wouldn't care if it were a criminal act. Shoot me when I salvage your stuff, that way I don't have to loot it too.

Founding member of the Belligerent Undesirables movement.
Drake Draconis
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#28 - 2012-01-24 23:11:21 UTC
FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:
Black Dranzer wrote:
You won't get any counter-arguments or reasoning, either.


Except the counter-argument that it's by design, working as intended, and *points to the quotes above*

Wrecks are public domain, per Concord. That's CCP's logic behind it. The cans containing the loot belong to you. What more argument do we need?

I really wouldn't care if it were a criminal act. Shoot me when I salvage your stuff, that way I don't have to loot it too.


In truth that is exactly what the ninja salvagers want...the license to shoot-to-kill upon agression.

Yet they foolishly keep posting this crap....that or its ninja salvager whose trying to pass off as a whiney carebear.

================ STOP THE EVEMAIL SPAM! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=78152
Vertisce Soritenshi
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#29 - 2012-01-24 23:16:19 UTC
Bumping thread as it has moved down to number 2 on the first page. Absolutely unacceptable! Important threads must stay at the top!

Bounties for all! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2279821#post2279821
Sicex
#30 - 2012-01-24 23:24:02 UTC
Cyprus Black wrote:
(Lots of CCP quotes saying 'No' quite clearly)


In case everyone missed it, the thread ended on the first page.
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#31 - 2012-01-25 01:20:12 UTC
Sicex wrote:
Cyprus Black wrote:
(Lots of CCP quotes saying 'No' quite clearly)


In case everyone missed it, the thread ended on the first page.


And yet, here we are on the second, and until it gets locked, no thread ever ends.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
Vertisce Soritenshi
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#32 - 2012-01-25 01:39:00 UTC
Why do you guys keep bumping this thread if you hate the idea so much? =P

Bounties for all! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2279821#post2279821
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#33 - 2012-01-25 01:40:40 UTC
Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:
Why do you guys keep bumping this thread if you hate the idea so much? =P


I have no problem with the idea. More missionbears will get killed. That simple.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
Vertisce Soritenshi
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#34 - 2012-01-25 02:06:22 UTC
RubyPorto wrote:
Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:
Why do you guys keep bumping this thread if you hate the idea so much? =P


I have no problem with the idea. More missionbears will get killed. That simple.

^^^ Yay for dead bears.

Bounties for all! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2279821#post2279821
Ahsekuaw
House of Flying Daggers
#35 - 2012-02-05 08:03:28 UTC
Smiling Menace wrote:
Bad news for you I am afraid, OP. CCP has already ruled on this one and their view is the salvage isn't yours until it's in your cargohold. Ninja salvaging is working as intended.


Wrong sir. The mechanic is broken and here's why. Any NPC that I destroy in a mission site, the wreck turns white. Both loot and salvage. If a pilot enters my mission site and takes the loot from my white wrecks, they are flagged to me as a criminal and I have the option to engage them if I desire.

Several patches ago, CCP gave pilots the option to release the wrecks from the mission owner which turned them (the wreck salvage & loot) blue. At that point, anyone could loot and salvage with no criminal flags being issued. The implementation of this wreck ownership change is what broke the mechanic. If releasing a wreck to the public by turning it blue constitutes no criminal action, then a wreck that is white (loot and salvage) must belong to pilot that created that wreck in the first place.

In this current scenario, ninja salvaging must be considered an exploit since there are no criminal repercussions for salvaging a white wreck that belongs to a pilot that created it in the first place. CCP needs to fix this.

Then again, we're talking CCP here. Dont' hold your breath...

Ahs
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#36 - 2012-02-05 20:40:47 UTC
Ahsekuaw wrote:
Smiling Menace wrote:
Bad news for you I am afraid, OP. CCP has already ruled on this one and their view is the salvage isn't yours until it's in your cargohold. Ninja salvaging is working as intended.


Wrong sir. The mechanic is broken and here's why. Any NPC that I destroy in a mission site, the wreck turns white. Both loot and salvage. If a pilot enters my mission site and takes the loot from my white wrecks, they are flagged to me as a criminal and I have the option to engage them if I desire.

Several patches ago, CCP gave pilots the option to release the wrecks from the mission owner which turned them (the wreck salvage & loot) blue. At that point, anyone could loot and salvage with no criminal flags being issued. The implementation of this wreck ownership change is what broke the mechanic. If releasing a wreck to the public by turning it blue constitutes no criminal action, then a wreck that is white (loot and salvage) must belong to pilot that created that wreck in the first place.

In this current scenario, ninja salvaging must be considered an exploit since there are no criminal repercussions for salvaging a white wreck that belongs to a pilot that created it in the first place. CCP needs to fix this.

Then again, we're talking CCP here. Dont' hold your breath...

Ahs


Nope. Turning the wreck blue only releases the contents of the wreck (Loot) to the public. Salvaging the wreck has never been considered a criminal action, and CCP has very clearly stated that salvage is considered to be publicly available on multiple occasions.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#37 - 2012-02-05 21:45:18 UTC
As per my longstanding position in these matters, I support this proposal. Missioners should not be restricted to watching mission looters go red flashy and then being too afraid to shoot them when they could also so easily be able to watch ninja savlagers go red flashy and ignore them too

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow
#38 - 2012-02-05 22:00:41 UTC
Again? Seriously?

LEARN TO ****ING READ!!!!!!!!!!

Devs said no.

End of ****ing story.

Don't like it, give me your stuff and Biomass.

I am the One who exists in Shadow. I am the Devil your parents warned you about.

||CEO: Order of the Shadow||Executor: The Revenant Order||Creator: Bowhead||
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#39 - 2012-02-06 00:46:19 UTC
Jack Carrigan wrote:
Again? Seriously?

LEARN TO ****ING READ!!!!!!!!!!

Devs said no.

End of ****ing story.

Don't like it, give me your stuff and Biomass.


UMADBRO?

Don't get mad at the missionbears; it makes them think they've learned how to troll properly.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
VonKolroth
Anarchist's Anonymous
#40 - 2012-02-06 06:31:13 UTC
This thread has come back to life over and over again since salvages were introduced in the game. The only thing that needs to be nerfed here are expectations.

Sent from my Gallente Erabus Titan on -FA- SRP
Previous page123Next page