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Myrkala
Royal Robot Ponies
#141 - 2012-01-23 04:09:19 UTC
HTFU


EVE is like nature, cruel.


Deal with it, adapt.
Asuka Solo
I N E X T R E M I S
Tactical Narcotics Team
#142 - 2012-01-23 04:52:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Asuka Solo
Nods head in approval

Eve is about Capital ships, WiS, Boobs, PI and Isk!
Tepir
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#143 - 2012-01-23 05:53:11 UTC
where is that guy who started all this blitz incursion w/e ?? i need to buy him truck full of beer and hookers!!

So much tears!!

one thing im curious about... will CCp help these tearplants ? or let the game run its course ?

Vetorept Fera
Doomheim
#144 - 2012-01-23 06:01:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Vetorept Fera
It's quite easy to avoid, outsmart, outwit griefers. Therefore, I shall not be unsubscribing.

I almost have all Tengu subs trained to 5 anyways! Thank God for SWTOR launch. Let's me set all kinds of crazy stuff training I would have never had the patience to if I was actively playing.

In pace requiescat
Serge Bastana
GWA Corp
#145 - 2012-01-23 06:07:14 UTC
Fabio Killer wrote:
Gabriel Mangeiri wrote:


Quote:
BTW, honest question to the rest of the forum - is there really a law (and a federal one, at that) in America about what reasons a private employer is allowed to have to hire or not a candidate?

And you are terrified of Europeans because they're socialists? Bloody hell.


Yes, there is. It's to prevent employers from disqualifying applicants based upon nothing more than illogical prejudices such as "they play Eve". Employers can be forced to hire said person, among other penalties. Our laws prevent employees against retribution of any kind by employers as well.


You play EVE? You are scum. It's my personal opinion of course, but all I had to do was call up C&P and have the other panel members read for 10 minutes.

"You know me, guys. In EVE, people like me are universally despised for being too nice. You sure you want to hire this fellow?"

It was unanimous. And hilarious.



You really are up your own arse aren't you? You seem to harbour a deep persecution complex and transfer that onto those you see as 'scum', even costing them a job because of it. I don't think you're too nice at all, in fact I think you're worse than the people you're labelling. I would hazard a guess that there are possibly other reasons why people dislike you, if in fact that's not just your own perception of how they react to you.

WoW holds your hand until end game, and gives you a cookie whether you win or lose. EVE not only takes your cookie, but laughs at you for bringing one in the first place...

Serge Bastana
GWA Corp
#146 - 2012-01-23 06:17:40 UTC
Olleybear wrote:
To the OP and anyone else thats aggravated by so called 'griefing':

Start taking on the responsibility for your own safety yourselves. Once you start to figure out what you could have done differently to keep from getting killed, you stop relying on someone else to keep you safe. Congratulations are in order when you take on that responsibility yourself because you just stopped being helpless.

Tired of running? Want to be more than just a target? Start by doing solo pvp. Yes, it is hard. Yes, you will be outnumbered. You can still fight the odds if you use your brain. Think about every single loss and what you did wrong. Dont make that mistake again if you can help it. Tip of the Day: Physical objects in space slow down and/or stop ships. How can you use this to your advantage?

Note that I say solo pvp and not any of that group hug stuff. Being told where to fly, when to fly there, what to shoot and when to shoot it turns you into a fluffy bunny waiting to get eaten. You wont learn very much that way and start to lose any pvp edge you once had.

Make the game yours and you too will scoff at the helpless people wanting their hands held and not doing a thing about it themselves.


I bolded and underlined the real key phrase here, pure and simple, take responsibility for your own actions.

WoW holds your hand until end game, and gives you a cookie whether you win or lose. EVE not only takes your cookie, but laughs at you for bringing one in the first place...

Ai Shun
#147 - 2012-01-23 06:35:51 UTC
Fabio Killer wrote:
Gabriel Mangeiri wrote:


Quote:
BTW, honest question to the rest of the forum - is there really a law (and a federal one, at that) in America about what reasons a private employer is allowed to have to hire or not a candidate?

And you are terrified of Europeans because they're socialists? Bloody hell.


Yes, there is. It's to prevent employers from disqualifying applicants based upon nothing more than illogical prejudices such as "they play Eve". Employers can be forced to hire said person, among other penalties. Our laws prevent employees against retribution of any kind by employers as well.


You play EVE? You are scum. It's my personal opinion of course, but all I had to do was call up C&P and have the other panel members read for 10 minutes.

"You know me, guys. In EVE, people like me are universally despised for being too nice. You sure you want to hire this fellow?"

It was unanimous. And hilarious.


So what is worse?

The person who plays an Internet Spaceships VIDEOGAME that is, by design, focused on risk, challenge and taking as much as you can - even from others if necessary?

Or the person who cost somebody a job because the other person plays said VIDEOGAME?

I know who I'd consider to be scum in that scenario.
Callous Jade
Dockturnal Bromance
#148 - 2012-01-23 06:41:55 UTC
Fabio Killer wrote:
Gabriel Mangeiri wrote:


Quote:
BTW, honest question to the rest of the forum - is there really a law (and a federal one, at that) in America about what reasons a private employer is allowed to have to hire or not a candidate?

And you are terrified of Europeans because they're socialists? Bloody hell.


Yes, there is. It's to prevent employers from disqualifying applicants based upon nothing more than illogical prejudices such as "they play Eve". Employers can be forced to hire said person, among other penalties. Our laws prevent employees against retribution of any kind by employers as well.


You play EVE? You are scum. It's my personal opinion of course, but all I had to do was call up C&P and have the other panel members read for 10 minutes.

"You know me, guys. In EVE, people like me are universally despised for being too nice. You sure you want to hire this fellow?"

It was unanimous. And hilarious.


I dont always make up stories that make me look like a moronic bigot while trying to sound more important in RL than I really am, but when I do its on the Eve-O forums.
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#149 - 2012-01-23 06:42:31 UTC
I am not a griefer and I wish for a better game FOR EVERYBODY.

And I will not unsub.

Bring back DEEEEP Space!
enterprisePSI
#150 - 2012-01-23 06:49:56 UTC  |  Edited by: enterprisePSI
I 've done far worse then hurt you.
I grief ed you.
And i wish to go on, griefing you.
I shall grief you as you griefed me, as you griefed us
marooned for all eternity , in the heart of a lvl4 or heaven.
Buried alive.
Buried alive.


(WIP)

The tears of the many, outweigh the tears of the few. Or the one. enterprise-psi©
Grumpy Owly
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#151 - 2012-01-23 07:28:59 UTC
Olleybear wrote:
To the OP and anyone else thats aggravated by so called 'griefing':

Start taking on the responsibility for your own safety yourselves. Once you start to figure out what you could have done differently to keep from getting killed, you stop relying on someone else to keep you safe. Congratulations are in order when you take on that responsibility yourself because you just stopped being helpless.

Tired of running? Want to be more than just a target? Start by doing solo pvp. Yes, it is hard. Yes, you will be outnumbered. You can still fight the odds if you use your brain. Think about every single loss and what you did wrong. Dont make that mistake again if you can help it. Tip of the Day: Physical objects in space slow down and/or stop ships. How can you use this to your advantage?

Note that I say solo pvp and not any of that group hug stuff. Being told where to fly, when to fly there, what to shoot and when to shoot it turns you into a fluffy bunny waiting to get eaten. You wont learn very much that way and start to lose any pvp edge you once had.

Make the game yours and you too will scoff at the helpless people wanting their hands held and not doing a thing about it themselves.



And yet another griefer controlling the commodity of fun in prescribing what you "should" do.

Yet he wouldn't be so "**** sure" if there was a valid and unabusable bounty system that actually allowed for some kind of responce to griefing activities that would encourage this "taking of responsibility". Not to mention all the other exploitable systems used to avoid confrontations and then you say its all about the PvP.

Griefers have it too easy and as a result are now complacent enough to let their Ego's design how people need to play the game. But it's still an attempt at a method of control to keep the cowards in "milk" and "honey" so they have an easy life attacking soft industrial/commercial pilots in suicide ganks.


TLDR: All griefers are cowards with the current climate of broken player policing systems.

Bounty Hunting - Soon (™): Retribution (Winter 2012)

It's just criminal - Smuggling
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#152 - 2012-01-23 07:43:50 UTC
Grumpy Owly wrote:

Griefers have it too easy and as a result are now complacent

No, that would be the victims. It's trivially easy to avoid “griefers" and the only way to fail is if you're too complacent not to take even the most minute precaution.
Serge Bastana
GWA Corp
#153 - 2012-01-23 07:48:04 UTC
Grumpy Owly wrote:
Olleybear wrote:
To the OP and anyone else thats aggravated by so called 'griefing':

Start taking on the responsibility for your own safety yourselves. Once you start to figure out what you could have done differently to keep from getting killed, you stop relying on someone else to keep you safe. Congratulations are in order when you take on that responsibility yourself because you just stopped being helpless.

Tired of running? Want to be more than just a target? Start by doing solo pvp. Yes, it is hard. Yes, you will be outnumbered. You can still fight the odds if you use your brain. Think about every single loss and what you did wrong. Dont make that mistake again if you can help it. Tip of the Day: Physical objects in space slow down and/or stop ships. How can you use this to your advantage?

Note that I say solo pvp and not any of that group hug stuff. Being told where to fly, when to fly there, what to shoot and when to shoot it turns you into a fluffy bunny waiting to get eaten. You wont learn very much that way and start to lose any pvp edge you once had.

Make the game yours and you too will scoff at the helpless people wanting their hands held and not doing a thing about it themselves.



And yet another griefer controlling the commodity of fun in prescribing what you "should" do.

Yet he wouldn't be so "**** sure" if there was a valid and unabusable bounty system that actually allowed for some kind of responce to griefing activities that would encourage this "taking of responsibility". Not to mention all the other exploitable systems used to avoid confrontations and then you say its all about the PvP.

Griefers have it too easy and as a result are now complacent enough to let their Ego's design how people need to play the game. But it's still an attempt at a method of control to keep the cowards in "milk" and "honey" so they have an easy life attacking soft industrial/commercial pilots in suicide ganks.


TLDR: All griefers are cowards with the current climate of broken player policing systems.


He's offering advice, and good advice at that. Do you consider someone telling you not to eat the yellow snow to be 'dictating your actions'? Why so serious?

WoW holds your hand until end game, and gives you a cookie whether you win or lose. EVE not only takes your cookie, but laughs at you for bringing one in the first place...

Skydell
Bad Girl Posse
#154 - 2012-01-23 07:55:47 UTC
EVE without unwilling vicitms would be dead in a year and the tards could troll each other for the last 6 months of it never really understanding why they did it in the first place.
EVE is neither cold or harsh. That's just horseshit spin people use to explain away pointlessness.
Jaroslav Unwanted
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#155 - 2012-01-23 07:59:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Jaroslav Unwanted
Skydell wrote:
EVE without unwilling vicitms would be dead in a year and the tards could troll each other for the last 6 months of it never really understanding why they did it in the first place.
EVE is neither cold or harsh. That's just horseshit spin people use to explain away pointlessness.


And that is the only marvel of the EVE. It is as meaningless, purposeless, pointless as an real life.

There are winners, by their definition ..
And there are losers by other people definition.
Sometimes winners are losers and other way around.
Grumpy Owly
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#156 - 2012-01-23 08:05:26 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Grumpy Owly wrote:

Griefers have it too easy and as a result are now complacent

No, that would be the victims. It's trivially easy to avoid “griefers" and the only way to fail is if you're too complacent not to take even the most minute precaution.


Who says I don't take precautions, how did you manage to derive at that from what I said, seems like a fabricated link to me?

IF I was sufficiently compalcent I would have been ganked, haven't yet and am sensible when it comes to any hauling I do to avoid such things as opposed to being stupidly greedy etc, so don't need the innappropriate condescending advice tyvm.

Griefers on the other hand can easily hide behind the lack of player retribution due to broken policing systems. Which have conveniently been like that for eons, hence why griefers have become complacent in their position, can you imagine how things could change with the possibility of being able to fight back?

But of course griefers dont want their prey to have teeth, that would be too much trouble.

Seems a valid use of the term complacent to me.

Bounty Hunting - Soon (™): Retribution (Winter 2012)

It's just criminal - Smuggling
KrakizBad
Section 8.
#157 - 2012-01-23 08:55:20 UTC
Grumpy Owly wrote:
Griefers on the other hand can easily hide behind the lack of player retribution due to broken policing systems. Which have conveniently been like that for eons, hence why griefers have become complacent in their position, can you imagine how things could change with the possibility of being able to fight back?

Yeah, it's not "broken policing systems," it's working as intended. If you want to kill me in empire, nothing at all is stopping you, but you may lose a ship to Concord. If you want to kill me in my home, better bring a gang. If you want to get someone else to kill me, better have isk on hand.

Either way I'll die if you really want to put in the effort.
Tian Nu
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#158 - 2012-01-23 09:01:24 UTC
i suport this one acc less we will make the wold change, vote obama.

Father O'Malley about Darius III begging for whelp: “Hows that working out for ya ? I make it 02:21 and all I see is you begging Riverini to get numbers and trying to recruit from the incursion public channel.”
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#159 - 2012-01-23 09:25:41 UTC
this incursion interdiction has singlehandedly justified Brick Squad's existence up to this point
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#160 - 2012-01-23 09:33:03 UTC
Grumpy Owly wrote:


Griefers on the other hand can easily hide behind the lack of player retribution due to broken policing systems.


Don't you get 1 month of kill rights on them?

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