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SP Buy Back

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ZenoFlux
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#1 - 2012-01-20 02:20:42 UTC
Lets face it, not everyone always has the finances to keep eve going every month. I myself have fallen into this category once or twice before. What I would like to see is a ONE TIME SP buy back feature. The way I think it should work is you are offered this feature 1 time, and you can only buy back SP at your lowest sp/hour. It also should not exceed your characters maximum amount of SP based on date of birth.

It wouldn't be hard to figure out time inactive based on DOB and paid subscription time. Again, and i cant stress this enough. i think it should be a 1 time feature.

I already know people are gonna bash this idea, but before you do think about this.. Is there really that much of a difference between having the option to buy back sp once vs purchasing someone's character on the forums? I figure this way, you would at least have the opportunity to fix your character before having to shop for someone else's...
Ai Shun
#2 - 2012-01-20 02:32:00 UTC
So you biomass your characters and then want to come back to a SP pool on a new character equal to what you would have aggregated for all your previous sub-time at the lowest rate? And have this be a one-time feature?

(Trying to understand the whole idea)
ZenoFlux
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#3 - 2012-01-20 03:41:01 UTC  |  Edited by: ZenoFlux
Ai Shun wrote:
So you biomass your characters and then want to come back to a SP pool on a new character equal to what you would have aggregated for all your previous sub-time at the lowest rate? And have this be a one-time feature?

(Trying to understand the whole idea)


No, Lets use my character for example. I haven't figured out the exact times he was active so this is just an example.

I created him January 2007. Played him for a year. Came into some tough situations irl and eve just wasn't in my budget. Had to let him expire until i could afford to reactivate the acc. Lets say i came back in January of 2009. played for another year or so, had to let him expire for financial reasons for a few mo's here and there and am now back..

So lets say my character was expired for a total of a year and a half, which would equal 18/mo's. Let's also just say my lowest sp/hr is 1,000/hr. Now, say i could afford to purchase a full year. It's almost like collecting a bad debt. Technically the time i was inactive could have been played, and sense there is no way to tell which skills a player would train during that time you would have to assume it was the lowest sp/hr. So if i could afford a full year ( which costs $131.40 ) at 1,000sp/hr rate, my character could have trained a minimum of 8,760,000sp

I also suppose it would make sense to have that 1 time offer be limited to account as well as character
ShipToaster
#4 - 2012-01-20 03:54:39 UTC
Disagree on principle, but secretly think that as long as you are using your own money and not plex, why not.

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ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
#5 - 2012-01-20 05:13:49 UTC
ShipToaster wrote:
secretly think that as long as you are using your own money and not plex, why not.


Because it allows for people to respec to the "new FoTM" as soon as a nerf/buff occurs... essentially removing the consequences of decisions made to attain that "old FoTM."

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ZenoFlux
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#6 - 2012-01-20 05:35:11 UTC
ShahFluffers wrote:
ShipToaster wrote:
secretly think that as long as you are using your own money and not plex, why not.


Because it allows for people to respec to the "new FoTM" as soon as a nerf/buff occurs... essentially removing the consequences of decisions made to attain that "old FoTM."

Not supported.


How so? It would only be offered 1 time, and even at that it's not cheap. no different that going out and buying a new pilot from the forums if your looking for that "new FoTM"
Ai Shun
#7 - 2012-01-22 20:00:45 UTC
ZenoFlux wrote:
Ai Shun wrote:
So you biomass your characters and then want to come back to a SP pool on a new character equal to what you would have aggregated for all your previous sub-time at the lowest rate? And have this be a one-time feature?

(Trying to understand the whole idea)


No, Lets use my character for example. I haven't figured out the exact times he was active so this is just an example.

I created him January 2007. Played him for a year. Came into some tough situations irl and eve just wasn't in my budget. Had to let him expire until i could afford to reactivate the acc. Lets say i came back in January of 2009. played for another year or so, had to let him expire for financial reasons for a few mo's here and there and am now back..

So lets say my character was expired for a total of a year and a half, which would equal 18/mo's. Let's also just say my lowest sp/hr is 1,000/hr. Now, say i could afford to purchase a full year. It's almost like collecting a bad debt. Technically the time i was inactive could have been played, and sense there is no way to tell which skills a player would train during that time you would have to assume it was the lowest sp/hr. So if i could afford a full year ( which costs $131.40 ) at 1,000sp/hr rate, my character could have trained a minimum of 8,760,000sp

I also suppose it would make sense to have that 1 time offer be limited to account as well as character


Ah, so you buy the holes in your subscription time frame. Okay, thank you for the clarification. Whilst I would like to use a feature like this, it seems a bit too much like MT / pay to win for me to be entirely comfortable with the idea.
Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
#8 - 2012-01-22 21:07:03 UTC
I rather be this tied into the NEX store :P but rather not it would only value the richest in RL or ingame players. I say make it a penalty to unlearn something.

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ZenoFlux
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#9 - 2012-01-23 04:45:29 UTC  |  Edited by: ZenoFlux
Nova Fox wrote:
I rather be this tied into the NEX store :P but rather not it would only value the richest in RL or in game players. I say make it a penalty to unlearn something.


I'm not really looking to unlearn skills so i can learn others. I would just like to make up for time that i could not afford to play the game. The penalty would be buying back at the lowest sp/hr of your character. Where as if you had actually played you could have potentially had a lot more sp.
Also, i dont really think it would benefit people with a lot of money irl because your buy back would just be based off your characters DOB. You wouldn't be allowed to purchase time before that.
Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
#10 - 2012-01-23 05:00:49 UTC
Double the Rate something is learned at,

Unlearn something cost 2 sp for ever 1 bonus sp you get.

I think that's fair enough.

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ZenoFlux
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#11 - 2012-01-23 05:09:03 UTC
Nova Fox wrote:
Double the Rate something is learned at,

Unlearn something cost 2 sp for ever 1 bonus sp you get.

I think that's fair enough.



I get what your saying and i do think it's a smart idea, but what happens when you don't have any skills you want to unlearn? I know a lot of people messed their characters up when first starting, in which case i can see this useful. I how ever jumped straight into the core skills, and i cant imagine I'm the only one who did so. Not saying i might not have a few i would get rid of, but over all i think your idea is a bit of a different directing than i was trying to go.
Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
#12 - 2012-01-23 06:22:26 UTC
ZenoFlux wrote:
Nova Fox wrote:
Double the Rate something is learned at,

Unlearn something cost 2 sp for ever 1 bonus sp you get.

I think that's fair enough.



I get what your saying and i do think it's a smart idea, but what happens when you don't have any skills you want to unlearn? I know a lot of people messed their characters up when first starting, in which case i can see this useful. I how ever jumped straight into the core skills, and i cant imagine I'm the only one who did so. Not saying i might not have a few i would get rid of, but over all i think your idea is a bit of a different directing than i was trying to go.


Well its a way to prevent abuse at least I want skill choices to be acutal decisions eve has concequences yes but learning from ones mistakes must be adhered too as well. Instead of Ooops Ill try again no harm done. We all know eve has yet to play like this, Oops I screwed up has most of the time always hurt in eve.

I am not arguing not needing this feature but my argument is that it shouldnt be 'pain free'

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ZenoFlux
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#13 - 2012-01-23 07:19:31 UTC  |  Edited by: ZenoFlux
Nova Fox wrote:
ZenoFlux wrote:
Nova Fox wrote:
Double the Rate something is learned at,

Unlearn something cost 2 sp for ever 1 bonus sp you get.

I think that's fair enough.



I get what your saying and i do think it's a smart idea, but what happens when you don't have any skills you want to unlearn? I know a lot of people messed their characters up when first starting, in which case i can see this useful. I how ever jumped straight into the core skills, and i cant imagine I'm the only one who did so. Not saying i might not have a few i would get rid of, but over all i think your idea is a bit of a different directing than i was trying to go.


Well its a way to prevent abuse at least I want skill choices to be acutal decisions eve has concequences yes but learning from ones mistakes must be adhered too as well. Instead of Ooops Ill try again no harm done. We all know eve has yet to play like this, Oops I screwed up has most of the time always hurt in eve.

I am not arguing not needing this feature but my argument is that it shouldnt be 'pain free'


I'm not sure if im miss understanding what you mean, or we're on different pages? What i purposed isn't meant to put a band aid on a screw up. The times I let my account expire I could simple just not afford to play, I don't consider that a screw up. What I am suggesting is a way to at least make up for some of that lost time. Yes, it will cost you the same as if you had never let your account expire. However, you will not be at the same level as if you had actually played. I'm not referring to retraining anything?

Also, as another positive I feel I should mention it gives CCP a chance to collect more money! Giving people a chance to pay for the time they could have played in exchange for a portion of the SP they could have trained. Sounds like a win-win to me!
Isabelle Evotori
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#14 - 2012-01-23 07:41:38 UTC
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Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
#15 - 2012-01-23 07:45:59 UTC
oh the trainig stop or the forgot to set a skill...

hmm if i have to give up something, it would be that you cannot charge for more than a day out of action into your bonus timer so to say. Rate wouldnt be 1 for 1 either.

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