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EVE is a cold hard universe, yet players whine about super caps.
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Ashera Yune
Doomheim
#1 - 2012-01-20 01:21:49 UTC
I am not a super pilot, nor do I desire one, but I don't get people who whine about them.

If I put more money, time, resources into a super cap than some schmucks put into their subcaps, than I should have an advantage.

EVE is a cold hard universe, those who are richer, stronger, and more skilled have the power.

Don't like the fact your bunch of subcaps can't beat my supercap, that's too Bad.

Don't like getting killed by it, too bad, fly better or get a better ship or get some help.

Its simple: adapt or die.

A multibillion isk coffin undockable 17km long ship should over course destroy a puny little cruiser.

EVE is a cold hard universe, whiners can go to WoW.

I believe Supercaps have been balanced enough already. Any further nerfs would otherwise make them useless.

Shouldn't the players who dedicated money, time, and sacrifice a character into flying these ships get rewarded?

Of course.

"Yesterday we obeyed kings and bent our necks before emperors. But today we kneel only to truth."

 Kahlil Gibran
Covert Kitty
SRS Industries
#2 - 2012-01-20 01:30:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Covert Kitty
By that logic a tornado, which of course costs many many times what a rifter does, should not be vulnerable to a rifter because you put so much more isk into the tornado.

No it's called diminishing returns, and balance. I like the changes that have been made to supers. Eve is not GearQuest, where the more rare/expensive stuff always wins.
Brock Nelson
#3 - 2012-01-20 01:31:38 UTC
Confirming this thread is a whine thread about whiners whining about supercap

Signature removed, CCP Phantom
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#4 - 2012-01-20 01:36:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
Ashera Yune wrote:
Its simple: adapt or die.
…and even though it's that simple, many supercap pilots are apparently too incompetent to do so.

Your fun is irrelevant in the face of everyone else's fun. As a result, supercaps are getting adjusted (repeatedly) to make them more fun for more people.

Just because you've put money, time, and resources into your rock doesn't mean that paper shouldn't still beat you every time.
Vigrioth Stoneclaw
Daskak Verskaffers
#5 - 2012-01-20 01:38:07 UTC
Brock Nelson wrote:
Confirming this thread is a whine thread about whiners whining about supercap


Eve Onwhine?
Ashera Yune
Doomheim
#6 - 2012-01-20 01:40:03 UTC
Covert Kitty wrote:
By that logic a tornado, which of course costs many many times what a rifter does, should not be vulnerable to a rifter because you put so much more isk into the tornado.

No it's called diminishing returns, and balance. I like the changes that have been made to supers. Eve is not GearQuest, where the more rare/expensive stuff always wins.


A tornado by itself cannot kill a rifter, but if the rifter is webbed and painted then a tornado can certainly kill it.

A tornado can kill a rifter if it sits out far enough to largely negate tracking velocity.

A titan cannot kill a close up battleship or cruiser by itself, but when the target is webbed and painted, it can do so.

A titan can kill a battleship if it sits out far enough to largely negate tracking velocity.[/b][/u]

People are complaining that Titans should not be able to do such things and as a result signature and tracking should be nerfed and changed, which would create widespread problems for various other ships that rely on turrets.

They are propose nerfing titan tracking even further, but this will create a bigger problem for dreads that have trouble tracking moving supercaps which cannot be webbed or painted.

These whiners do not want to think about stragedy or devise ways to succeed, they want CCP to do the work for them instead.

"Yesterday we obeyed kings and bent our necks before emperors. But today we kneel only to truth."

 Kahlil Gibran
Avid Bumhumper
Beekeepers Anonymous
#7 - 2012-01-20 01:56:22 UTC
Covert Kitty wrote:
By that logic a tornado, which of course costs many many times what a rifter does, should not be vulnerable to a rifter because you put so much more isk into the tornado.

No it's called diminishing returns, and balance. I like the changes that have been made to supers. Eve is not GearQuest, where the more rare/expensive stuff always wins.


Of course you do. Very few people fly supers, so it's natural to fear what you have no experience with. Roll

My Tinfoil hat has been sugically implanted, so no,it is not for sale.....
Abdiel Kavash
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#8 - 2012-01-20 02:19:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Abdiel Kavash
Brock Nelson wrote:
Confirming this thread is a whine thread about whiners whining about supercap

Just wait until it fills with whiners whining about the OP whining about whiners whining about supercaps.

WHINECEPTION

(that sounds like a cool name for the next expansion)
Il Feytid
State War Academy
Caldari State
#9 - 2012-01-20 02:24:09 UTC
Your dumb.
Katrina Oniseki
Oniseki-Raata Internal Watch
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#10 - 2012-01-20 02:30:03 UTC
Ashera Yune wrote:
I am not a super pilot, nor do I desire one


Of course you aren't and don't... what use would a forum alt have for a supercap?

Your main, on the other hand...

Katrina Oniseki
Pink Marshmellow
Caucasian Culture Club
#11 - 2012-01-20 02:45:30 UTC
Marlona Sky wrote:
Your dumb.


I'm sorry to say, but you really should not be talking.
mkint
#12 - 2012-01-20 03:26:15 UTC  |  Edited by: mkint
supers = godmode

The nerfs didn't go far enough.

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Ashera Yune wrote:
Covert Kitty wrote:
By that logic a tornado, which of course costs many many times what a rifter does, should not be vulnerable to a rifter because you put so much more isk into the tornado.

No it's called diminishing returns, and balance. I like the changes that have been made to supers. Eve is not GearQuest, where the more rare/expensive stuff always wins.


A tornado by itself cannot kill a rifter, but if the rifter is webbed and painted then a tornado can certainly kill it.

A tornado can kill a rifter if it sits out far enough to largely negate tracking velocity.

A titan cannot kill a close up battleship or cruiser by itself, but when the target is webbed and painted, it can do so.

A titan can kill a battleship if it sits out far enough to largely negate tracking velocity.[/b][/u]

People are complaining that Titans should not be able to do such things and as a result signature and tracking should be nerfed and changed, which would create widespread problems for various other ships that rely on turrets.

They are propose nerfing titan tracking even further, but this will create a bigger problem for dreads that have trouble tracking moving supercaps which cannot be webbed or painted.

These whiners do not want to think about stragedy or devise ways to succeed, they want CCP to do the work for them instead.


Your logic is broken.

titan;bs : tornado;warrior (not rifter)
or
titan;carrier(not BS) : tornado;rifter

Maxim 6. If violence wasn’t your last resort, you failed to resort to enough of it.
stoicfaux
#13 - 2012-01-20 03:27:12 UTC
Ashera Yune wrote:

Its simple: adapt or die quit playing, thus putting CCP one step closer to going out of business if too many people consider Eve to be unfun.

Fixed it for you.

Pon Farr Memorial: once every 7 years, all the carebears in high-sec must PvP or they will be temp-banned.
Sara XIII
The Carnifex Corp
#14 - 2012-01-20 03:31:12 UTC
Haven't even seen a supercap yet, but when I do I'm almost certain I'll kill it. Or not.
Between Ignorance and Wisdom
Boyd Achura
#15 - 2012-01-20 03:40:18 UTC
I haven't seen nearly the volume of supers being hotdropped in black rise recently. Sounds like the nerfs are working. Keep up the good work ccp!
Surge Roth
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#16 - 2012-01-20 04:00:25 UTC
Good luck trying to convince the typical trolls on this forum. They all only believe in a "balance" that only benefits them and their kind.
Bloodpetal
Tir Capital Management Group
#17 - 2012-01-20 04:48:07 UTC
Hey look, more super cap tears!!!

Ashera Yune wrote:
I am not a super pilot, nor do I desire one, but I don't get people who whine about them.


Lies. Otherwise you'd use your main to post this.


Ashera Yune wrote:

If I put more money, time, resources into a super cap than some schmucks put into their subcaps, than I should have an advantage.

EVE is a cold hard universe, those who are richer, stronger, and more skilled have the power.


Aww, did your e-peen/penis enlargement device get taken away from you??

Well, let's see. A supercap says... "you have someone rich"... and? the rest are laughable to be associated with supercaps. Means absolutely nothing. I can find dozens of "Oh no, I got caught ratting belts with my giant epeen device!" kills, definitely not a sign that a super cap makes you anything other than "rich" or have more "ISK than brains".



Ashera Yune wrote:

Don't like the fact your bunch of subcaps can't beat my supercap, that's too Bad.

Don't like getting killed by it, too bad, fly better or get a better ship or get some help.

Its simple: adapt or die.

A multibillion isk coffin undockable 17km long ship should over course destroy a puny little cruiser.



The bigger they are the harder they fall! Bigger isn't better, little over compensating man.

"Too big to fail!" - You've already admitted they're "too big"...

"Too bad" your multibillion ISK ship got nerfy-werfyed. EVE is a cold hard... oh, I see, you're just about to write that down here...


Ashera Yune wrote:

EVE is a cold hard universe, whiners can go to WoW.

I believe Supercaps have been balanced enough already. Any further nerfs would otherwise make them useless.

Shouldn't the players who dedicated money, time, and sacrifice a character into flying these ships get rewarded?

Of course.



Still trying to be a speshul butterfly?

CCP already admitted supercaps were a big mistake. You should be lucky you get to keep them at all. I think they should detonate all supercaps. Maybe you even get to keep your insurance? If you're so rich, I'm sure you wouldn't mind.


Where I am.
Asuka Solo
I N E X T R E M I S
Tactical Narcotics Team
#18 - 2012-01-20 05:14:45 UTC
Nerf sub caps so they can't damage supers.

Nerf supers so they can't touch sub caps.

Boost capitals to be a danger and vulnerable to both.





Death to sub caps online!

Eve is about Capital ships, WiS, Boobs, PI and Isk!
Vyl Vit
#19 - 2012-01-20 05:36:38 UTC
The OP has a magnificent way of pointing out the obvious, and a marvelous talent for overlooking nuance.

Paradise is like where you are right now, only much, much better.
Valei Khurelem
#20 - 2012-01-20 05:44:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Valei Khurelem
I get the very same reaction whenever I see nerfs aimed at 0.0 alliances and players, then see 0.0 alliances and players railing against them purely because it will cause them to start losing stuff rather than just being able to stash it infinitely, how many of these people do you think have hundreds of ships put into 0.0 NPC stations just in case they lose their sovereignty?

These groups want favourtism not a balanced game, it's about time CCP started stepping on some necks and making everyones tears flow rather than just 'carebears'.

"don't get us wrong, we don't want to screw new players, on the contrary. The core problem here is that tech 1 frigates and cruisers should be appealing enough to be viable platforms in both PvE and PvP."   - CCP Ytterbium
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