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Har Harrison
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#41 - 2012-01-23 02:43:34 UTC
There are many reasons to not want to pvp in low/null sec.

1) No supers (both)
2) No hot drops (both)
3) No loss of sec status (low sec)
4) No loss of implants (technically both, but more of a null issue due to bubbles/DICs/HICs).
5) You don't want to be at war all the time, but are happy to have a week of pew pew and then some time off etc...

The facts still stand - with the current rules it is impossible to kill a high sec POS and the dec shield is a BS way of making it impossible for anyone to kill you, at least until people start getting into a corp that is part of the dec shield and then the griefing is on!!!
The fear I have is that the people who can't get legit pew in high sec might start resort to joining a corp to grief people. Having seen it happen, it is MUCH worse to have to deal with a corp mate who is intent on killing everyone and there is nothing you can do short of kicking them. Bring on a legit war target anytime.
(I know there are people who do this anyway - I'm just pointing out that you might see more people resorting to this when they have a beef with someone since the war dec mechanics now make it impossible to get "satisfaction")
Gabrielle Angel
Kala's Glorious Gossips
#42 - 2012-01-23 04:06:53 UTC
OH! BTW ... pepole are whinning that they cant get to their target cause of Dec-shield tactics .... ok ... But what about when YOU get decced and are acctually WILLING to fight .... BUT ... those who decced you are a ******** never logging three man corp (OBVIOUSLY alts of some other ppl) .. hmm ... HMMM ????

CCP should also set a minimal amount of time that a certain amount of members from your corp have to be active AND in space to keep that damn war going. You dont want to fight us ? then hell just DONT wardec us damnit.

God i hate those stupid "we dec you ONLY to **** you off and have pepole not willing to get you in fleet cause you're decced... but dont worrie we will NEVER be logged and trying to fight you" kind of "" war ""
SkiD-MaRk
Wambulance
#43 - 2012-02-11 04:28:29 UTC
Kirith Vespira wrote:
Yeah, nothing pisses me off more when other players refuse---REFUSE--- to play the way *I* want them to!

Ungrateful bastages...


Well, the game is set up as such. And you are correct. If you find a way to grief the said grief/Merc-lawl corp the more power too ya.

Sadly when the carebears find a way to out wit the uber easy kill players like myself. Some get all up and arms about it and cry the worst kind of river.


It is a push and shove game that in time we all learn to play right. Loose 300 mill to a smart corp. Kill 3 bill to a dumb corp.

Just wish the pvp players tears were as sweet as carebear tears. Then these threads might be worth trollingP
ioannis
Alia Squad
#44 - 2012-02-11 07:46:59 UTC
Har Harrison wrote:
Support for the OP. Current crap war mechanics are crap and people jumping constantly to avoid wars should be considered an exploit.
If a person wants to leave a corp that is at war, force them to join an NPC corp for a month. Some kind of stasis period would soon sort out the men from the boys. EvE is about PvP and conflict. Not making isk safely behind a dec shield.


this is a game what kind of shorten you have in mind ?

boys and men both pay subs

as for the OP all this is < standard game procedure >

you know like when some gank opens fire to an indy or mining vessel
with no means to fight back .....
vj salurhgasjvn
Doomheim
#45 - 2012-02-11 14:20:02 UTC  |  Edited by: vj salurhgasjvn
Yuller wrote:
You nerfed the Dramiel because it was too fast for the ceptors



show me on the dramiel wreck where the taranis touched you.

i thought you were bitching about carebears. are ceptor pilots carebears now? did i miss a memo?
elenasa
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#46 - 2012-02-12 01:10:57 UTC
Yuller wrote:
Correct me if i am wrong but when Japan and Germany surrendered in WW II i seem to recall them having to meet the terms of this surrender.


Correct me if I'm wrong too, but didn't they start the war?

Blink
M1k3y Koontz
House of Musashi
Stay Feral
#47 - 2012-02-26 21:19:27 UTC  |  Edited by: M1k3y Koontz
Angel Violette wrote:
Kirith Vespira wrote:
Yeah, nothing pisses me off more when other players refuse---REFUSE--- to play the way *I* want them to!

Ungrateful bastages...



Not at all there is still a surrender button they can push ...


Surrenders have to be mutual, greifers dont accept the surrender, war drags on.

Keeley Ellis wrote:
Outz Xacto wrote:
Quote:
I agree in principle, that CONCORD should refund a proportional amount of the war costs relevant to the amount of time remaining in the event of a surrender.


That's like paying a cop to look the other direction while you wait to beat someone up, then when they dont show up you ask the cop for your money back... you REALLY think he's gonna give two ***** about how you didn't get your chance to beat the guy up cause of a no show?



Um, no.

No it's not. At all. When you declare war, you have paid for legalised hostilities for a specified duration. If that duration is cut short, there should be some kind of recompense. That's how it is without using some dumb analogy, but if you want one I can deliver: It's like going to the jetwash and paying for 5 minutes to clean your car but then the water shuts off after 1 minute because of the water company, the jetwash owner wont give you your money back or credit for a free wash.


The reason wars exist are to screw with "resources, trade routes, strategic systems or simple pride" of the enemy. This rarely happens.
Lets be honest, when paying CONCORD for a wardec, 99% of the time its griefers paying the cops to look the other way while you beat up the carebears with little to no PvP skills. Welcome to EVE, you lose money thats part of the game Roll


Getting paid double what you spent on the wardec if it fails? Here's the result of that:

1) Wardec Carebear corp
2) Carebear pays CONCORD to repeal declaration
3) Receive portion of counter-bribe from CONCORD
4) Repeat
5) Buy Titan
6) Win EVE

So that idea go into the derp bin.

Dec Shields? Oh noes the miners wont let me pew them! Whine to CCP!!!

Let the trolling commence Big smile

How much herp could a herp derp derp if a herp derp could herp derp.
Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local
Break-A-Wish Foundation
#48 - 2012-02-27 02:04:24 UTC
Gabrielle Angel wrote:
OH! BTW ... pepole are whinning that they cant get to their target cause of Dec-shield tactics .... ok ... But what about when YOU get decced and are acctually WILLING to fight .... BUT ... those who decced you are a ******** never logging three man corp

This happened to me twice this week.
Michael Torrez
Into the Ether
Out of the Blue.
#49 - 2012-02-27 07:18:56 UTC
why war dec a carebear ? they have no teeth to fight back with ..so they are just easy kills .....P v P? but a miner cant shoot back ...high sec is a place to learn the game you do a bit of mining a bit of ratting but then it get super boreding...if you war dec a mining corp or a corp that is so young that they dont have a fight chance why bother war dec? go to low sec there alays people there and its FREE no isk on war decs
Qui Lani
Doomheim
#50 - 2012-02-27 23:26:11 UTC
If corp A decs corp B . And corp C and D dec corp B with Corp B delcaring it mutual, does the cost for corp A go up if it reissued the dec? Or does the cost only go up if the wardec from C and D aren't mutual at all?

I was reading up on the EVE Uni multiple dec drama and didn't quite understand how the cost went up.
Aldous Sancros
Fidelis Limited
#51 - 2012-02-28 17:13:11 UTC
Yuller wrote:
the entire post is about how easy it is to avoid a war dec


Quote:
#2 I WANT MY ISK BACK when these people surrender...As a matter of a fact i think we should get back double what the war cost...You ruined low sec piracy with faction war...Lets just finnish it and make nul sec the only place to pvp


Actually, a good part of the post is you QQing about losing a bunch of money to a game mechanic that has been well known for several months now. If you lose money for not doing your research and knowing the mechanics of what you're engaging in, well, that's your fault, not the corp you're griefing, not CCP.
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