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Market Broken?

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RUSROG
Avalanche.
#1 - 2012-01-19 10:02:08 UTC
Consider this:

You want to buy something on the market, and only from a specific order.
Say I know that my friend, who I want to support as opposed to some random stranger, sells all of his orders with .11 iso at the end so that I can identify him. However, somebody is undercutting him by .01 iso thus making the cheapest order in that station 0.10, which I do not want to buy.

Can the market be fixed thus that I buy from the order that I have selected, and not the cheapest order?

just a thought, as it should be a normal occurrence for me to be able to buy what I want, not the cheapest thing (Yes, as weird as that sounds).

Thoughts?
Mirime Nolwe
Mantra of Pain
#2 - 2012-01-19 10:04:51 UTC
You can buy one item from any order you want and not only from the cheapest one..
Lady Spank
Get Out Nasty Face
#3 - 2012-01-19 10:05:03 UTC
It's to counter various exploits so no.

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W1rlW1nd
WirlWind
#4 - 2012-01-19 10:09:39 UTC  |  Edited by: W1rlW1nd
RUSROG wrote:
Consider this:

You want to buy something on the market, and only from a specific order.
Say I know that my friend, who I want to support as opposed to some random stranger, sells all of his orders with .11 iso at the end so that I can identify him. However, somebody is undercutting him by .01 iso thus making the cheapest order in that station 0.10, which I do not want to buy.

Can the market be fixed thus that I buy from the order that I have selected, and not the cheapest order?

just a thought, as it should be a normal occurrence for me to be able to buy what I want, not the cheapest thing (Yes, as weird as that sounds).

Thoughts?


EDIT not true-> "You already can do that. ...."

As Lady Spank corrects below, you can pay the top price as you choose, but the money and buy order will go to the lowest seller available.
Lady Spank
Get Out Nasty Face
#5 - 2012-01-19 10:16:21 UTC
Yes it does... All your suggestion does is buy from the cheaper order at the higher orders price.

(ಠ_ృ) ~ It Takes a Million Years to Become Diamonds So Lets Just Burn Like Coal Until the Sky's Black ~ (ಠ_ృ)
Vera Algaert
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#6 - 2012-01-19 10:24:17 UTC
eve-search - your friend.

guess in 2 weeks you will "discover" margin trading and post another redundant thread about the market being "broken" by design.

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W1rlW1nd
WirlWind
#7 - 2012-01-19 10:25:06 UTC
Lady Spank wrote:
Yes it does... All your suggestion does is buy from the cheaper order at the higher orders price.


My apologies- I stand corrected. Lady Spank is correct.
Mirime Nolwe
Mantra of Pain
#8 - 2012-01-19 10:25:10 UTC
Lady Spank wrote:
Yes it does... All your suggestion does is buy from the cheaper order at the higher orders price.


If you are right, well.. Always learning in eve! :)
Professor Humbert
Project Fruit House
#9 - 2012-01-19 10:25:19 UTC
W1rlW1nd wrote:


You already can do that. Just open the details on the item in the market window, select your friend's higher priced item, right-click "Buy this", done.

The market window doesn't force you to only purchase the cheapest item.



No.

What the market window does is letting you chose the PRICE you are willing to pay to the CHEAPEST seller.

You have no choice whom you are buying from. For that purpose, one can always use either contract or direct trade.
RUSROG
Avalanche.
#10 - 2012-01-19 10:26:31 UTC
W1rlW1nd wrote:
RUSROG wrote:
Consider this:

You want to buy something on the market, and only from a specific order.
Say I know that my friend, who I want to support as opposed to some random stranger, sells all of his orders with .11 iso at the end so that I can identify him. However, somebody is undercutting him by .01 iso thus making the cheapest order in that station 0.10, which I do not want to buy.

Can the market be fixed thus that I buy from the order that I have selected, and not the cheapest order?

just a thought, as it should be a normal occurrence for me to be able to buy what I want, not the cheapest thing (Yes, as weird as that sounds).

Thoughts?


You already can do that. Just open the details on the item in the market window, select your friend's higher priced item, right-click "Buy this", done.

The market window doesn't force you to only purchase the cheapest item.






What it does at the moment, is try to buy the cheapest order first, and if there isn't enough of that item in the first order move onto the second cheapest.


Lady Spank wrote:



It's to counter various exploits so no.



What exploit?
RUSROG
Avalanche.
#11 - 2012-01-19 10:28:17 UTC
Professor Humbert wrote:
W1rlW1nd wrote:


You already can do that. Just open the details on the item in the market window, select your friend's higher priced item, right-click "Buy this", done.

The market window doesn't force you to only purchase the cheapest item.



No.

What the market window does is letting you chose the PRICE you are willing to pay to the CHEAPEST seller.

You have no choice whom you are buying from. For that purpose, one can always use either contract or direct trade.



This.

Contracting does not work well enough as it means that I have to mail them for a specific item, and that only happens when they log on. So this has to be done on the market itself.
RaTTuS
BIG
#12 - 2012-01-19 10:40:19 UTC
however if you put stuff on in another station and you are the only trader you can do this

http://eveboard.com/ub/419190933-134.png http://i.imgur.com/kYLoKrM.png

Tokeshii Kovacs
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2012-01-19 10:44:48 UTC
It is supposed to work the way that Lady Spank said...

However I noticed an odd thing this morning.

Yesterday evening I (another char) placed a sell order in a station at which I already had another order which was the cheapest in the region. So I undercut myself by .01 isk as this was a smaller quantity that I wanted to fulfill faster.

This morning someone bought 30 items of the product - however the items came from the product that was .01 isk more expensive. The purchase was made at 7am this morning both sell orders were placed last night in the same station

just to clarify

order 2 90/90 items cheapest by .01 isk
order 1 170/200 items .01 isk more expensive <- this was the one purchased from !

Something very odd here no?
Jacob Stiller
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#14 - 2012-01-19 10:47:26 UTC
I love it when people buy my items for more than my listing. If people do this out of some mistaken belief that they can select who they are buying from, better for the traders if the general public stays ignorant. P
RUSROG
Avalanche.
#15 - 2012-01-19 10:47:55 UTC
Tokeshii Kovacs wrote:
It is supposed to work the way that Lady Spank said...

However I noticed an odd thing this morning.

Yesterday evening I (another char) placed a sell order in a station at which I already had another order which was the cheapest in the region. So I undercut myself by .01 isk as this was a smaller quantity that I wanted to fulfill faster.

This morning someone bought 30 items of the product - however the items came from the product that was .01 isk more expensive. The purchase was made at 7am this morning both sell orders were placed last night in the same station

just to clarify

order 2 90/90 items cheapest by .01 isk
order 1 170/200 items .01 isk more expensive <- this was the one purchased from !

Something very odd here no?


Hmmm...

Strange.

I don't know how the system works, however it would nice for a dev to clarify the mechanics, and or there be an explanation as to why my theory is an exploit.
Tokeshii Kovacs
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#16 - 2012-01-19 11:12:07 UTC
RUSROG wrote:


Hmmm...

Strange.

I don't know how the system works, however it would nice for a dev to clarify the mechanics, and or there be an explanation as to why my theory is an exploit.


Well it is a brokerage system so when you purchase something you are going through a third party - who should always select the cheapest order regardless of how much you said you are willing to pay.

It should not have been possible for my more expensive order to be reduced before my cheaper order (for the same items in the same region).

CCP Spitfire
C C P
C C P Alliance
#17 - 2012-01-19 11:35:27 UTC
Moved from "EVE General Discussion".

CCP Spitfire | Marketing & Sales Team @ccp_spitfire
RUSROG
Avalanche.
#18 - 2012-01-19 12:08:19 UTC
Tokeshii Kovacs wrote:
RUSROG wrote:


Hmmm...

Strange.

I don't know how the system works, however it would nice for a dev to clarify the mechanics, and or there be an explanation as to why my theory is an exploit.


Well it is a brokerage system so when you purchase something you are going through a third party - who should always select the cheapest order regardless of how much you said you are willing to pay.

It should not have been possible for my more expensive order to be reduced before my cheaper order (for the same items in the same region).



That is true, however as a snobbish customer shouldn't the third party accept my wishes to buy that order that I know belongs to him, so that I do not fund the enemy.

Again, your cheapest order should have sold...petition it?