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Advice and constructive criticism needed.

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Koa Kadaj
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2012-01-19 08:56:53 UTC
I am a completely new player coming into Eve, this is no easy task and the aspect of it is pretty daunting. To combat this steep learning curve and the overwhelmed feeling, I hit Google hard and came up with a plan. Depending on what is learned from this post and your comments my friend will also be following this plan a couple weeks behind me. The overall goal of this plan is to get me into 0.0 or even low-sec gang warfare (Preferably 0.0)I also love to RP, I will be “in character” throughout most of my endeavors endgame however, I do not require corporations to be “RP” though that would be a plus.

1. Do all the starter missions to get the free skill books/ships and ISK from them. Hopefully by the end of all those missions I will have the skill and enough money to buy two salvaging fit destroyers.
2. (Please be gentle as I know this is not a glorious profession)I plan to then start ninja salvaging, while I am salvaging at this time I plan to learn skills to enhance my probe skills and salvaging skills while using the ISK to buy and outfit 3 more destroyers.
3. Continue salvaging in this way, until I’ve learned to fly tech 1 tackling frigates effectively and have enough ISK to buy and outfit 10 of said tackling frigates.
4. Once I get to this point I will start to look for a low-sec or 0.0 corporation hiring tacklers. If/when I get into a corporation that conducts wolf pack type warfare. I will begin the tedious process of moving my 10 frigates to their base of operation building and outfitting more once I get there while leaving my salvagers in my former base of operation.
5. Once set up with the corporation I plan to continue salvaging for ISK as long as its viable while conducting tackling duty with the corporation while skilling up tackling skills towards being able to fly interceptors eventually.
6. Once I think that I have the necessary skills/funds to bring myself to 0.0 I will then (if I haven’t already) attempt to hook up with a corporation that resides there and begin tackling for them.
7. Once in 0.0 I am open to filling whatever role the corporation believes I will be best suited for.

I am coming into this with no friends to consort with and no access to large amounts of ISK. I am not pretending that Ninja salvaging will be able to support me the entire time, but since I only plan on flying tech 1 frigates, I believe it can stay helpful for a bit longer than most people moving to larger ships. Hopefully, by the time that it is no longer useful I will have found a better way to make money. My plan doesn’t reach that far sadly. Also I’d like to note I do not plan on joining a corporation until step 4 to avoid war declarations etc, while I am trying to get money to fund myself.
What I am putting to you fine pilots are:
• Does this sound viable?
• Do pirate corporations/0.0 corporations care if I’ve ninja salvaged for ISK in the past?
• Any advice on what type of corporations I’d best serve as a tackler in an inexpensive frigate?
• Other ways to fund myself once I am in low-sec/0.0 if salvaging would not cut it?

I thank you for your time, happy hunting and swift flying.
-Koa Kadaj
Liam Mirren
#2 - 2012-01-19 09:05:28 UTC
Sounds like a solid plan, there's one thing i would add; read lots of guides, ask tons of questions and question all answers. Keep eager to learn, all the time. Try to figure stuff out first hand because KNOWING something is better than sorta having heard of it. Many people don't really know how things work, and that's how they get caught out.

Ninja salvaging is great income until you can properly do lvl 4 missions or rat or do other pve combat stuff and any piracy corp that turns you down because you did ninja salvaging is not worth your time.

Excellence is not a skill, it's an attitude.

Koa Kadaj
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2012-01-19 09:11:09 UTC
So some pve aspect will be needed to stay profitable while pvping?
That is a little disheartening as I wasn't interested in any of it really. I will have to figure out what I will find interesting on the pve aspect as I havn't really considered it yet, nor do I consider ninja salvaging (From what I've heard so far) as pve.
Liam Mirren
#4 - 2012-01-19 09:18:50 UTC
Well, you CAN make money with pvp if you go for the right targets but generally what people call "piracy' is 'just' "pvp in low sec". True piracy isn't limited to low sec, the fox goes where the sheep are. The majority of players will need some form of income, be it combat pve or making isk on a (carbear) alt.

Excellence is not a skill, it's an attitude.

Kahega Amielden
Rifterlings
#5 - 2012-01-19 09:22:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Kahega Amielden
Quote:
Ninja salvaging is great income until you can properly do lvl 4 missions or rat or do other pve combat stuff and any piracy corp that turns you down because you did ninja salvaging is not worth your time.


Or until you can fly a proper gank boat, at which point you can start looting to sharply increase your income and shoot the dumb ones that attack you for even more sweet loot. One faction kill is worth a lot of level 4s...


Quote:
So some pve aspect will be needed to stay profitable while pvping?


Sort of, if you loosely define PVE as anything that isn't shooting other players. In general there are enough ways to make ISK though that it's not a big deal. Some are rather fun (ninjasalvaging/looting).
Liam Mirren
#6 - 2012-01-19 09:24:40 UTC
Kahega Amielden wrote:
Quote:
Ninja salvaging is great income until you can properly do lvl 4 missions or rat or do other pve combat stuff and any piracy corp that turns you down because you did ninja salvaging is not worth your time.


Or until you can fly a proper gank boat, at which point you can start looting to sharply increase your income and shoot the dumb ones that attack you for even more sweet loot.


Yup, that would be an act of piracy, but he's talking about going low sec or 0.0. Hence my "fox goes where the sheep are", most piracy is actually done in high sec. Ganking, wardeccing, can flipping, mission busting and all those are acts of aggression with the purpose to make profit, ie piracy.

Excellence is not a skill, it's an attitude.

Baneken
Arctic Light Inc.
Arctic Light
#7 - 2012-01-19 09:27:37 UTC
In general most people in null run the sites (DED plexs, radars etc.) and sanctums for their income this requires to have a BS or rat at the belts which can be done a bit easier then ratting in sanctums.
There are corporations that do raid billions of worth "loot pinjatas" but OP's like those require a huge amount of planning and spying, sometimes even weeks to work out the victims behavioural patterns to ensure that "maximum loot" will be gained and even then "loot fairy" can be mean sometimes.
Kahega Amielden
Rifterlings
#8 - 2012-01-19 09:28:53 UTC
Quote:
Yup, that would be an act of piracy, but he's talking about going low sec or 0.0. Hence my "fox goes where the sheep are", most piracy is actually done in high sec. Ganking, wardeccing, can flipping, mission busting and all those are acts of aggression with the purpose to make profit, ie piracy.


I would hardly consider defending oneself piracy.
Koa Kadaj
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2012-01-19 09:30:03 UTC
I am not completely against I guess gang type pve with other players I guess low-sec/0.0 corpmates that actually sounds fun, but solo-pve sounds super boring to me. Thank you all for the input, you've given me confidence.
Khanh'rhh
Sparkle Motion.
#10 - 2012-01-19 09:57:13 UTC
Following someone around and purposefully salvaging their missions will earn more ISK than ninja salvaging (more reliable supply, the wrecks are blue so you can use tractors) but at the expense of the fun.

Exploration is a good way of making money with low skills, though some light PVE-ing is required, typically nothing you can't do in a frigate or destroyer if it's in highsec.

"Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual,

Koa Kadaj
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2012-01-19 10:01:40 UTC
Thing is I want to limit my dependance on others and Ninja salvaging seemed my best bet, also the skill I get from scanning down people will be applicable later ingame. Following someone around while lucrative doesn't seem too fun for me, through all the positive responses I've gotten so far I've decided to begin Operation: Banana-rama. Though I will still keep my eye on this thread for advice. I work the rest of tonight and tomorrow night however so I won't be able to bring this thing out of planning phase until Friday night.
Khanh'rhh
Sparkle Motion.
#12 - 2012-01-19 10:08:17 UTC
Koa Kadaj wrote:
Thing is I want to limit my dependance on others and Ninja salvaging seemed my best bet, also the skill I get from scanning down people will be applicable later ingame.

You're not wrong.

A tip: ninja salvage in Amarr or Minmatar space; the typical rats are blood raiders and Angels respectively, both of which drop salvage materials that are currently worth a little more than the others.

"Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual,

Koa Kadaj
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2012-01-19 10:24:24 UTC
Thank you very much, that was the next big task to find a suitable location to set up shop. One with L4s but not a huge ninja salvager population.
Khanh'rhh
Sparkle Motion.
#14 - 2012-01-19 10:38:01 UTC
Koa Kadaj wrote:
Thank you very much, that was the next big task to find a suitable location to set up shop. One with L4s but not a huge ninja salvager population.

Go with it; you'll soon learn the rage of entitled mission bears is beautiful, and nothing amplifies that better than two ninjas stealing from him at once.

"Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual,

Kahega Amielden
Rifterlings
#15 - 2012-01-19 10:39:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Kahega Amielden
Quote:
Following someone around and purposefully salvaging their missions will earn more ISK than ninja salvaging (more reliable supply, the wrecks are blue so you can use tractors) but at the expense of the fun.


In a proper ship with good piloting skills, tractor beams are hardly even helpful. It saves scanning time, but few missionrunners will let you just loot and salvage without wanting a hefty cut for themselves.


Quote:
Thank you very much, that was the next big task to find a suitable location to set up shop. One with L4s but not a huge ninja salvager population.


I suppose I should link you to this and this.

Also, Angel rats have the most valuable salvage. Blood/Sansha are okay; they used to be way better before melted capacitor consoles tanked in price. I'd find a good minmatar system to set up in, though
Koa Kadaj
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#16 - 2012-01-19 10:42:12 UTC
Awesome!!!! Thank you so much, more tools for my toolbox.
Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
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#17 - 2012-01-19 12:33:54 UTC
Take a look at the ISK guide.

http://www.isktheguide.com/

It's mostly up to date, and a good starter

Woo! CSM XI!

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Nisa Darksoul
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#18 - 2012-01-19 13:30:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Nisa Darksoul
you may also want to consider a trading alt.

Set the char up in jita, amarr, rens or dodixie and send him your money. dual box and keep the trade alt constantly buying low and selling high while your combat/salvage alt does his thing.

once your trade alt reaches a critical mass of isk you will be able to easily keep both accounts in PLEX

PS: you will do better learning how to trade with small volumes first before you get into larger amounts, in other words it would be unwise to instantly plex your trade alt 2B or so to start with... you will just lose a lot of it.
Koa Kadaj
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#19 - 2012-01-20 00:07:09 UTC
I'd like to avoid running two accounts if I can, it gets hard to justify it with my wife...is running two accounts kind of the expected norm?
Liam Mirren
#20 - 2012-01-20 06:54:26 UTC
It helps, for instance you could use an alt to probe down mission runners while you stay in your salvaging ship. It can also act as a scout either in low sec or actually in high sec for all kinds of "shenanigans" so he could shipscan your target so you know what you'd be up against. Or you could get him into a Logistics (high sec) or a Falcon( outside high sec) to support your "solo" pvp.

You don't HAVE to have a 2nd account but it does help a whole lot, intel is power. You can keep it simple by creating a Buddy account which, if you have the initial money for a plex, is essentially a free full account for 51 days, train up a char with some really basic skills and he can fly a probing frigate with a ship scanner. As that account is about to run out you make a new one and simply transfer over the ship to the new char.

Excellence is not a skill, it's an attitude.

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