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[Counter Proposal] KEEP LEARNING IMPLANTS
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Thryson
Riemannian Manifold Torus
#1 - 2012-01-19 08:49:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Thryson
To hell with you bears, I was against removing learning skills and I am sure as hell against my implants being taken away. I spent almost 2 months as a noob training learning skills so that I would one day have an advantage over someone that was impatient and I worked to buy my learning implants for the same damn reason. I was filled with glee when the put implants on the killmails so that I could really see how much that hurt the other guy.

bottom line if your not willing to work to get your implants or your not willing to take a risk by putting them in your head then you need to get stuffed because you don't deserve to own what I worked for and you did not kill me to take.

If they are going to change anything it needs to be JC timers and not by simply cutting them down, you need to buy a skill and spend some damn time to train it. This is Eve and you don't rate to have free ****, you work for it you kill for it and you die for it that is what makes EVE different and if you don't like it go play WoW.

Respectfully Submitted
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#2 - 2012-01-19 08:50:59 UTC
ban npc corp forum alts from csm forums
Thryson
Riemannian Manifold Torus
#3 - 2012-01-19 09:10:39 UTC
Actually this is my main just closed our corp yesterday, TUVM


http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/combat_record.php?type=player&name=Thryson
Xorv
Questionable Acquisitions
#4 - 2012-01-19 10:36:50 UTC
Thryson wrote:
bottom line if your not willing to work to get your implants or your not willing to take a risk by putting them in your head then you need to get stuffed because you don't deserve to own what I worked for and you did not kill me to take.


What risk is there to a player with implants that stays in High Sec and avoids PvP? The problem with learning implants is that those that engage in PvP or other activities that put their pods at risk are inclined not to put High end learning implants in their active clone because of the risk of losing them, resulting in slower learning time than someone who takes no risks at all. In short Learning Implants promote risk aversion, especially for non veterans with loads of things that they want trained yesterday.

Learning skills were even worse, as many players wouldn't play EVE at all with a character until they had completed them and it was a very big disincentive to new players to even bother trying EVE. Was very glad to see them go.
Drake Draconis
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#5 - 2012-01-19 15:15:54 UTC
Proof they are being removed or please kindly STFU.

PS: and just like your dec-shield exploit thread that was an insult to intelligence...not supporting.

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Smiling Menace
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2012-01-19 15:28:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Smiling Menace
You again with another dumb thread, Thryson? No carebears to gank in hi sec today?

Again, another thread that only addresses the issue from one side, i.e. yours.

It's ok for you, Thryson, you will never leave hi sec so you can't be podded (unless it's one of your lame ass wardec's on miners that won't stand a chance against your T3's so your implants are still safe, eh?). Some of us actually go looking for fairer fights in null and low where the chances of loosing implants goes up rather dramatically rather than grief noobs in hi sec.

Most sane pilots in low/null don't use implants as you will see if you look at the KB's.

So, why should we suffer because you're lame and won't leave hi sec?

It was only a proposal on these boards anyway but again you get all bent out of shape over someone trying to benefit ALL players, not just themselves.

Not supported.
Drake Draconis
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#7 - 2012-01-19 15:35:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Drake Draconis
Smiling Menace wrote:
You again with another dumb thread, Thryson? No carebears to gank in hi sec today?

Again, another thread that only addresses the issue from one side, i.e. yours.

It's ok for you, Thryson, you will never leave hi sec so you can't be podded (unless it's one of your lame ass wardec's on miners that won't stand a chance against your T3's so your implants are still safe, eh?). Some of us actually go looking for fairer fights in null and low where the chances of loosing implants goes up rather dramatically rather than grief noobs in hi sec.

Most sane pilots in low/null don't use implants as you will see if you look at the KB's.

So, why should we suffer because you're lame and won't leave hi sec?

It was only a proposal on these boards anyway but again you get all bent out of shape over someone trying to benefit ALL players, not just themselves.

Not supported.


I started to say I was agianst this...until I got my ass podded escorting a freighter fleet in (coughcoughfacoughcough) space and was summarily podded.

Accidentally forgot I was wearing +4'sOopsOops

So yeah...I'm dis-inclined to acquiesce to the "don't remove learning implants from the game" camp.

As we now live in branch....bit hard to get replacements out here.Evil

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Smiling Menace
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2012-01-19 15:51:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Smiling Menace
Drake Draconis wrote:
Smiling Menace wrote:
You again with another dumb thread, Thryson? No carebears to gank in hi sec today?

Again, another thread that only addresses the issue from one side, i.e. yours.

It's ok for you, Thryson, you will never leave hi sec so you can't be podded (unless it's one of your lame ass wardec's on miners that won't stand a chance against your T3's so your implants are still safe, eh?). Some of us actually go looking for fairer fights in null and low where the chances of loosing implants goes up rather dramatically rather than grief noobs in hi sec.

Most sane pilots in low/null don't use implants as you will see if you look at the KB's.

So, why should we suffer because you're lame and won't leave hi sec?

It was only a proposal on these boards anyway but again you get all bent out of shape over someone trying to benefit ALL players, not just themselves.

Not supported.


I started to say I was agianst this...until I got my ass podded escorting a freighter fleet in (coughcoughfacoughcough) space and was summarily podded.

Accidentally forgot I was wearing +4'sOopsOops

So yeah...I'm dis-inclined to acquiesce to the "don't remove learning implants from the game" camp.

As we now live in branch....bit hard to get replacements out here.Evil


Sucks dude. I heard about the JF convoy that was *ahem* ambushed on someone's JB's.

If the learning implants were done away with, these things wouldn't happen and people would be more inclined to pew pew instead sit out a good fight (or ambush) because they don't want to risk the 1bil+ in their heads.

*E*

That's not to say we should remove implants altogether. Keep the pirate implants and what have you, just remove the learning part. Has no real use now that learning skills are gone.
King Rothgar
Deadly Solutions
#9 - 2012-01-19 16:33:44 UTC
My cheap clone is a +5 attribute set. I'd like to keep implants as well. There is nothing wrong with paying isk to gain a skill training speed advantage. If you have your way and get them removed, next you'll want damage hardwirings to be deleted so that guys like me don't get a dps advantage over you. After that, you'll want faction mods deleted because I can afford to pvp with them and you can't. And then finally after I've left the game because of these changes, you'll leave too because some other guy newbier than you proposed that anything above a t1 cruiser should be deleted because people flying better stuff keeps him from pvping.

I also agree that the removal of learning skills probably wasn't the best move even though I personally gained from that change.

[u]Fireworks and snowballs are great, but what I really want is a corpse launcher.[/u]
Thryson
Riemannian Manifold Torus
#10 - 2012-01-19 17:04:46 UTC
It is not about getting bent out of shape over a trivial issue it is about what it opens the door too that you think that you deserve somthing you don't have to work for or risk to own. Because you don't like it the real trolls on the fourms are people that sit here and ask to get free stuff all day.
Drake Draconis
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#11 - 2012-01-19 18:00:12 UTC
Smiling Menace wrote:
Drake Draconis wrote:
Smiling Menace wrote:
You again with another dumb thread, Thryson? No carebears to gank in hi sec today?

Again, another thread that only addresses the issue from one side, i.e. yours.

It's ok for you, Thryson, you will never leave hi sec so you can't be podded (unless it's one of your lame ass wardec's on miners that won't stand a chance against your T3's so your implants are still safe, eh?). Some of us actually go looking for fairer fights in null and low where the chances of loosing implants goes up rather dramatically rather than grief noobs in hi sec.

Most sane pilots in low/null don't use implants as you will see if you look at the KB's.

So, why should we suffer because you're lame and won't leave hi sec?

It was only a proposal on these boards anyway but again you get all bent out of shape over someone trying to benefit ALL players, not just themselves.

Not supported.


I started to say I was agianst this...until I got my ass podded escorting a freighter fleet in (coughcoughfacoughcough) space and was summarily podded.

Accidentally forgot I was wearing +4'sOopsOops

So yeah...I'm dis-inclined to acquiesce to the "don't remove learning implants from the game" camp.

As we now live in branch....bit hard to get replacements out here.Evil


Sucks dude. I heard about the JF convoy that was *ahem* ambushed on someone's JB's.

If the learning implants were done away with, these things wouldn't happen and people would be more inclined to pew pew instead sit out a good fight (or ambush) because they don't want to risk the 1bil+ in their heads.

*E*

That's not to say we should remove implants altogether. Keep the pirate implants and what have you, just remove the learning part. Has no real use now that learning skills are gone.


That wasn't a JF convoy mate....that was a freighter convoy...no jump drives. Shocked


And OP - Hey...smartass....proof or STFU.

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Thryson
Riemannian Manifold Torus
#12 - 2012-01-19 18:36:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Thryson
What you are also asking for is all the benifits of high sec in null if you do that you,might as well make missions make as much as null complexes a nd allow corps to fight for control of high sec oh and maybe there should be no local like in wormholes while we are at it everyone should recieve a free replacement ship of the same class they lose in combat and we all need 500 million free exp. Ect Ect Ect yeah this seems like a good idea.
Drake Draconis
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#13 - 2012-01-19 18:46:21 UTC
Thryson wrote:
What you are also asking for is all the benifits of high sec in null if you do that you,might as well make missions make as much as null complexes a nd allow corps to fight for control of high sec oh and maybe there should be no local like in wormholes while we are at it everyone should recieve a free replacement ship of the same class they lose in combat and we all need 500 million free exp. Ect Ect Ect yeah this seems like a good idea.



Yet again you whine and cry without proof.

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Thryson
Riemannian Manifold Torus
#14 - 2012-01-19 18:51:06 UTC
What do you need as proof drake? That was an exaggerated statment to emphize how insane it is to ask for stuff you don't have to work for or own.
Drake Draconis
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#15 - 2012-01-19 20:17:28 UTC
Thryson wrote:
What do you need as proof drake? That was an exaggerated statment to emphize how insane it is to ask for stuff you don't have to work for or own.



Your proposal indicates they are getting removed....where is the ####ing proof?

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Thryson
Riemannian Manifold Torus
#16 - 2012-01-19 20:39:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Thryson
Let me restate my postion as you are correct and I mis titled, this is a counter-proposal. As there is no dislike button or actual way of stating how much and why people don't support somthing(other than reading pages and pages of posts and adding them manually) I saw this as a valid way to counter the other proposal to remove learning implants. I changed the title accordingly.
Drake Draconis
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#17 - 2012-01-19 20:46:29 UTC
Thryson wrote:
Let me restate my postion as you are correct and I mis titles this is a counter-proposal. As there is no dislike button or actual way of stating how much hoo don't support somthing I saw this as a valid way to counter the other proposal.



It's called "I don't like this..not supporting"

How hard is that?

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Thryson
Riemannian Manifold Torus
#18 - 2012-01-19 20:53:45 UTC
Xorv wrote:
Thryson wrote:
bottom line if your not willing to work to get your implants or your not willing to take a risk by putting them in your head then you need to get stuffed because you don't deserve to own what I worked for and you did not kill me to take.


What risk is there to a player with implants that stays in High Sec and avoids PvP? The problem with learning implants is that those that engage in PvP or other activities that put their pods at risk are inclined not to put High end learning implants in their active clone because of the risk of losing them, resulting in slower learning time than someone who takes no risks at all. In short Learning Implants promote risk aversion, especially for non veterans with loads of things that they want trained yesterday.

Learning skills were even worse, as many players wouldn't play EVE at all with a character until they had completed them and it was a very big disincentive to new players to even bother trying EVE. Was very glad to see them go.


You right there is not a lot of risk it does happen from time to time I lost a large ammount of implants recently because of a bad descision I made. But what you asking for is more benfits of high sec in null, all 3pvp zones have advantages and disadvantages to take away one and award it to the others is asking too much and that is what i dont agree with.
Thryson
Riemannian Manifold Torus
#19 - 2012-01-19 21:01:13 UTC
Drake Draconis wrote:
Thryson wrote:
Let me restate my postion as you are correct and I mis titles this is a counter-proposal. As there is no dislike button or actual way of stating how much hoo don't support somthing I saw this as a valid way to counter the other proposal.



It's called "I don't like this..not supporting"

How hard is that?



There is no way of know how many people do not like it other than adding it up manually on a post that has upwards of 2000 responses that can be tedious
Drake Draconis
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#20 - 2012-01-19 21:06:28 UTC
Thryson wrote:
Drake Draconis wrote:
Thryson wrote:
Let me restate my postion as you are correct and I mis titles this is a counter-proposal. As there is no dislike button or actual way of stating how much hoo don't support somthing I saw this as a valid way to counter the other proposal.



It's called "I don't like this..not supporting"

How hard is that?



There is no way of know how many people do not like it other than adding it up manually on a post that has upwards of 2000 responses that can be tedious


What business of it is yours to know who or what?

That is for CCP/CSM to deal with...not you.

you state your opinion..and move on.

Argue if you feel its ncessary...make a new proposal..but dont double/tripple thraed a idea out of stupidity.

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