Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Here's a thought.

Reset Likes and cookie drop the IP CCP.

Discuss.

Given our recent discussion about alts liking "themselves", dropping the IP into a cookie helps prevent alts doing the "liking".

I'm aware it can be circumvented somewhat but the average Joe cannot.

PS: "Likes" seems to be considered a CCP approved way of selecting candidates for upcoming CSM. May as well throw random numbers skyward and watch them all come down in sequential order.

Keep in mind that resetting the count for total likes and instituting some IP filter cookie to prevent a person from liking himself will not at all do away with the advantages held by people popular within their own alliances, coalitions, corporations, or various other organizations, or those persons whom make dozens or even hundreds of posts per week. The reason I have so many likes, for example, is because I have a lot of posts. I make hundreds of posts per week. If the average number of likes I receive per post is even one or two, that's still several hundred likes per week that I accumulate. If your concern is that some people will have an advantage over other people when it comes to farming total likes, then you will need to address the system in some way other than a flat numerical value, such as perhaps instituting some sort of system with diminishing returns per specific user.

True as. As a thought only, same corp/ally cannot like. I dunno.

Personally "Likes" are all good fun, my concern is CCP's love affair with it being a valid voting tool for the exact reasons you mention.

I ultimately have to question what you hope to achieve with this endeavor.

As I stated in my previous post, if you make it so that a person cannot like himself with alts then you still have the problem that some people command a lot of popularity due to in-game reasons or due to positional roles within their social groups; for example, a popular alliance leader could just makes a series of one-liner posts that don't express much content, then link to those posts via whatever mass-broadcasting system his alliance uses, in order to generate likes for himself; friends or even total strangers could form little circle jerk pacts to farm likes for each other; individual posters could simply spit out a prolific bulk of posts so as to soak up as many likes as possible. Without a negative value operator—a "dislike," or "down vote" function—there is nothing to be lost in simply throwing out as many posts as you have the time to write, and eventually some of them will get a few likes; or, if you're someone with a small following (like myself), eventually almost all of them will get a few likes.

With respect, this is not a viable solution.

If for the sake of argument we presuppose that this situation is as you say it is and that the potential for a party to farm likes is somehow a problem, then we must ascertain why it is a problem. If it is a problem because there exists some possible benefit for those parties with a high number of likes, then people will simply work around whatever obstacles are put before them in order to gain the desired outcome; for example, if you were to make it so that one could not receive likes from Alliance or Corporation members, and, presupposing that having a high number of likes was somehow tangibly advantageous, then the person desiring the accumulation of likes from a specific Alliance or Corporation (or coalition, or voting block, or whatever) could simply leave that entity for an alt corp.

Am I correct in assuming that what you are trying to do is to formulate a means by which to limit the amount of representation that a specific, hypothetical group, can have, ostensibly to avoid the "tyranny of the majority" being exercised by that group?

Page 3. It was CCP suggestion a post in Jita Park Speaker's Corner getting support. Likes may have been mentioned, but fortunately our stellar CSM was on top of it with:

And the methods you mention, we'll call it "metagaming" is fine. To "metagame" your likes up would require dedication and be worth the efforts applied but likes should ONLY be treated as a bit of fun.

It IS easy to rig the votes (using whatever method) and ANY solution used - as a panacea to stop vote rigging for elections is plainly flawed.

I'm saying you cannot even keep the "fun" clean - let alone use LIKES as a method of discovering consensus. It appears CCP wants to.

Cookies is a start to some of the abuse - your posts are proving the silliness of likes entirely.

Case in point.

What the CSM "expressed concerns" about versus CCP thinking LIKES is a legitimate culling tool.

I'm not for or against anyone or anything, I just feel that LIKES is a stupid way to represent the Eve playerbase (which is also an answer to drunken bum).

I care because I play Eve AND I vote.

It's the wording that suggests LIKES are THE method being suggested.

"...count the number of supports the post recieved..."

"....CSM also expressed concerns about using forum likes to poll support..."

"CCP responded that usage of the forum was extremely convenient and known to players, and that it would be difficult to develop a new method in the time available".

This is what I am trying to get across. How ELSE will they do it if it is not via LIKES "in the time available"?