Intergalactic Summit

Just as military means are a means, so is conducting something through military means a means. What's conducted in your example, expansion, is again a means. A means never gives any moral "highground". Means are justified - or not - by their ends.

So, indeed, the means in themselves grant no one moral "highground", neither to the Empire nor anyone else. The Empire has no moral "highground" in conducting it's expansion through military means. And that's not a feeling I have. It follows logically from the notions of means and ends.

Nah, you still don't get it, Mr. Bete.

Thank you! You're very flattering.

You puzzle me, how can he be being hypocritical? He helps those not blessed by God rather than profiteering off of others suffering, which he has rightly called out as going against the word of the Empress. Heathens, you fascinate me with your ignorance.

It's not free labour though. If you want to look at things in economic terms the labour is exchanged for food, housing, education, childcare, healthcare and most importantly spiritual enlightenment.

Actually my own slaves generally have facilities superior to many "free" workers in the Federation and the State, and they have the added benefit of not being made bankrupt if anything bad happens to them or their family.

Let's compare that to the fate of many slaves held by the supporters of Omir. Worked until they're no use any more and then drained of their blood for use in unholy rituals.

Slaver hounds like to eat blood sausage.

"If my slaves only wish to do as I say, they may do whatever they wish" is not freedom.

"As long as they do as I say, my slaves are treated better than the worst-treated people elsewhere" is irrelevant to the debate.

The average position of slaves in the Empire is pretty ****-poor. PIE's treatment of their slaves doesn't change that; trying to deny the general situation of slaves based on PIE's specific treatment is living in denial of the truth of the Empire; and lastly, how slaves are treated is pretty much irrelevant for the demands of the Minmatar. That they are generally treated ****-poor compounds to the problem, it's not the problem in and by itself.


We wish for our people - all of our people - to have permanent and irrevocable freedom to decide who they serve, where they live and what they do, regardless of whether their decision is in line with what some Amarrians or their nameless god asks for.

You will not achieve mutual understanding and peace if you insist on not understanding.

Indeed. We generously relieve our adopted workers of their fiscal repsonsibilities, thus allowing them to concentrate on more spiritual matters.

This point is what so many outside of the community of faithful holders refuse to see. Although our families have never met, I would assume the Cresthills and the Goldcores operate on similar principles. I would be so bold as to claim that those we "hold" are more free than the majority of so-called "free citizens." Without the economic and financial burdens of earning a living, supporting a family, paying for education, etc, those who are "held" by the faithful are free to develop their humanity under God to the fullest extent. It is the Holder who bears the financial burden. There are free citizens who visit our estate who envy the freedom of our "slaves." They envy their educational opportunities, leadership opportunities, medical care, even the food they eat and the worship facilities they use daily.

In the Cresthill family, there is a love between "holder" and "held." Why, because the holder is an emissary of God's love to the wayward. That is the truth.