Intergalactic Summit

How about, Commander, the needless bullying and threats that PIE issued against the Disciples of Ston not so long ago?

What did they do, again....? Oh, yes.

They declared that the Disciples were to open their doors for an immediate inspection, disregarded complaints of bias, ignored attempts to provide for a properly balanced inspection team, and then, based entirely on circumstantial and mostly non-existant evidence , unilaterally delcared the Disciples an enemy of the state.

Seriously, they've already done more than enough to discredit themselves; they hardly need our help.

Oh, don't worry, I'm sure it'll be alright by the next time you wish to do a backflip to being an Ammatar Sansha Blood Raider Tribal militiaman, or whatever you wish.

The words of jamyl are nothing but empty promises, the empire shall burn, the heavens themselves will be stained with your people's blood.

I suppose that means you are volunteering for the "to be reclaimed" option?

...played with me like a toy.

Well done.

One hundred and fifty posts until we actually get some sense. Thank god for you, Kala, I'd just about lost hope. I gave up commenting and have just been keeping score of the best remarks. The Amarrians were winning at last count, but I'll firmly pass the trophy over to you, personally.

Forgive me if I sound unsympathetic or unfeeling to the dead souls on the cargo ship. But really... all you can do is laugh or cry at the idiocy being shown by all parties, and I'd rather do the former.

Kill 'em all and let God sort it out, eh?

Sorry but, even in warfare, there are certain tenets of basic civilized behavior that we (as supposedly civilized societies) have developed; civilian non-combatants will not be intentionally targeted, captured prisoners will be treated humanely and not subjected to cruel or unusual punishment, female prisoners will not be subjected to sexual assaults, etc.

I'm selling slaves in almost any system in Metropolis. Cheaper than dirt...... At least you can grow tomatoes in the dirt, fertilized by the slaves' corpses. I wouldn't recommend eating those rotten tomatoes though, unless you're minmatar, but then you can't read this message anyway.

Slaves come already lobotomized to minimize the chance of Sansha Nation and their constant "BWAINZZZZZZ" space zombie trash attack on your POS.

There are these rules, sure and we all should try to live up to them. But even these rules don't make war any cleaner and less ugly. Now, given that your first statement shows that you clearly misunderstood my post, maybe you read my post again and get to the meaning of it all, or you go on misinterpreting it, just like Mr. Areth is doing it.

In the case you fail to do so I try to give you some help:
You're naive if you think that these rules are followed by all soldiers on your side at any point in time of a war. You're lying to yourself if you think that you're, in a war, able to live up to these rules all the time. Things get blurry in a war. You'll make mistakes, you'll fail in your assessment of situations, you will kill innocents and you will do ugly things, when it's either you or them or you just think those people aren't civilians.

Maybe not intentionally, but believe me, that it wasn't intentional doesn't make it any better for the ones that got killed.

Hiding behind a set of rules, thus, doesn't make war any cleaner. To the contrary, it achieves the opposite, because you were doing it according to the rules. So it's not your fault that in this situation a dozen of civilians died, right? A set of rules can't possibly account for all possible situations. A set of rules has no moral compass. How should it be able to give one? Those rules aren't there for making war any cleaner. They're there as a psychological crutch for people who'd otherwise break under the moral responsibility they take up as a soldier. Those rules are not there to prevent those ugly things from happening. They're there to be able to distance oneself from those doing those things deemed unacceptable. Yes, they have a function and a role to play, but again: No, they don't make war any less ugly, no, they don't give any kind of moral high ground.

So once this is understood, there is indeed no need to shove off responsibility to the other side. Like you do with your sermon about civilized behavior. Rules won't take the responsibility from you. Nor will 'civilized' bahavior. Once the war is over you can't wash the responsibility off by saying: 'But I did it in a civilized way'. Civilization is no guarantee for ethical conduct. You can't say in the end: 'But I played to the rules!' No, that won't do it.

Honestly, the only way to deal with the responsibility you have as a soldier is to keep it and to deal with it. Admit to yourself where you are guilty (and you will be of some things), see where you have responsibility, but are not guilty. And take it upon you to make amends for it. Try to prevent yourself from doing those things in the future. And see that you can't always do so, in a war - that's what makes war so ugly.
Don't shove your responsibility off to rules, the enemy, human nature, whatever else. Don't think you of all people in the war are the one who can claim moral high ground, because you shoved your responsibility off to someone or something else.
The point remains:

'War is ugly and there is no place for moral high ground in it.'

So, once this rule is understood, there is no need to try to shove off responsibility to any other side....

-N. Mithra

When they are lobotomized they are also implanted with a cheap chip that simulates chimpanzee behavior. After the procedure they become 50% smarter than an average minmatar thanks to the chip. Slaves are able to count to 10 and you can even nominate them for the minmatar Nobel Prize in mathematics.