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PIE transporting Slaves within the Republic

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Reann Amelana
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#181 - 2012-01-31 16:06:29 UTC
Arkady Sadik wrote:
"If my slaves only wish to do as I say, they may do whatever they wish" is not freedom.

"As long as they do as I say, my slaves are treated better than the worst-treated people elsewhere" is irrelevant to the debate.

The average position of slaves in the Empire is pretty ****-poor. PIE's treatment of their slaves doesn't change that; trying to deny the general situation of slaves based on PIE's specific treatment is living in denial of the truth of the Empire; and lastly, how slaves are treated is pretty much irrelevant for the demands of the Minmatar. That they are generally treated ****-poor compounds to the problem, it's not the problem in and by itself.


We wish for our people - all of our people - to have permanent and irrevocable freedom to decide who they serve, where they live and what they do, regardless of whether their decision is in line with what some Amarrians or their nameless god asks for.

You will not achieve mutual understanding and peace if you insist on not understanding.



If only you had the patience to see what is happening, Our Empress has already set the criteria for those held to become free people, in fact Millions have already been freed, Many more than have been ripped from the care of their Holders in misguided attempts to free them. Tell me how you believe that the obliteration of all that these stolen from Gods lands will do well in the 'free' world? When they have no knowledge of unscrupulous traders, financial management and responsibilities or indeed basic understanding of the degenerate ways outside of the borders of the Empire?

Have patience and you will see in time if those who are held in bondage wish to go to the filth ridden and mismanaged republic, or if they choose to stay in the loving arms of the Empire. Granted some may choose to go spread Gods word, but I suspect that they will be slaughtered like many bearers of truth before them.
Astrid Stjerna
Sebiestor Tribe
#182 - 2012-01-31 18:04:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Astrid Stjerna
Reann Amelana wrote:

If only you had the patience to see what is happening, Our Empress has already set the criteria for those held to become free people, in fact Millions have already been freed, Many more than have been ripped from the care of their Holders in misguided attempts to free them. Tell me how you believe that the obliteration of all that these stolen from Gods lands will do well in the 'free' world? When they have no knowledge of unscrupulous traders, financial management and responsibilities or indeed basic understanding of the degenerate ways outside of the borders of the Empire?

Have patience and you will see in time if those who are held in bondage wish to go to the filth ridden and mismanaged republic, or if they choose to stay in the loving arms of the Empire. Granted some may choose to go spread Gods word, but I suspect that they will be slaughtered like many bearers of truth before them.


We've shown seven hundred years of patience, and a fat lot of good it's done for us.

If your slaves had a choice, a number of them would probably willingly choose to remain in the Empire. But no, you snatch us from our beds in the depths of the night, separate our children from their families, tell us that our entire culture is superstitious bunk, and then expect us to be happy about it.

I admire and love my wife, because she had the courage to challenge her perceptions and realize that conversion doesn't come at the barrel of an autocannon or with the use of poisons.

I hope and pray that one day, you'll discover the same.

I can't get rid of my darn signature!  Oh, wait....

Arkady Sadik
Gradient
Electus Matari
#183 - 2012-02-01 07:19:40 UTC
Reann Amelana wrote:
When they have no knowledge of unscrupulous traders, financial management and responsibilities or indeed basic understanding of the degenerate ways outside of the borders of the Empire?
Did you just honestly say that "we are horrible at educating these people, hence you may not remove them from our hands"?


PS. It's amusing to see how Amarrians can, without flinching, switch from "but we're freeing slaves, just show some patience, the Empress is doing that!" to "we won't free anyone and would love to enslave more of those who do not believe in God" depending on whether they feel like they are on the defensive or on the offensive in a given thread. If you really wonder why others do not trust your word, that is why. Though I suspect you do not actually wonder, you only say so for effect.
Rodj Blake
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#184 - 2012-02-01 08:21:25 UTC
Arkady Sadik wrote:
Reann Amelana wrote:
When they have no knowledge of unscrupulous traders, financial management and responsibilities or indeed basic understanding of the degenerate ways outside of the borders of the Empire?
Did you just honestly say that "we are horrible at educating these people, hence you may not remove them from our hands"?


PS. It's amusing to see how Amarrians can, without flinching, switch from "but we're freeing slaves, just show some patience, the Empress is doing that!" to "we won't free anyone and would love to enslave more of those who do not believe in God" depending on whether they feel like they are on the defensive or on the offensive in a given thread. If you really wonder why others do not trust your word, that is why. Though I suspect you do not actually wonder, you only say so for effect.


An education takes more than an afternoon.

Dolce et decorum est pro Imperium mori

Kithrus
Brave Newbies Inc.
Brave Collective
#185 - 2012-02-01 08:33:59 UTC
Arkady Sadik wrote:
Reann Amelana wrote:
When they have no knowledge of unscrupulous traders, financial management and responsibilities or indeed basic understanding of the degenerate ways outside of the borders of the Empire?
Did you just honestly say that "we are horrible at educating these people, hence you may not remove them from our hands"?


PS. It's amusing to see how Amarrians can, without flinching, switch from "but we're freeing slaves, just show some patience, the Empress is doing that!" to "we won't free anyone and would love to enslave more of those who do not believe in God" depending on whether they feel like they are on the defensive or on the offensive in a given thread. If you really wonder why others do not trust your word, that is why. Though I suspect you do not actually wonder, you only say so for effect.


I find it amusing you bend propaganda and law to suite you right after claiming Amarrians to quote the spirit of most of your accusations have 'no honor or heart.'

Between multiple treaties and laws set by concord Amarrians are allowed to own slaves.

Period.... end of discussion.

If you want to argue the whys, fine.
If you want to argue the how, I'm all for it.

But if you want to argue the wheres and when now we are in interesting waters.

As if stands your pointing to PIE and accusing them with strong over tones that they frequently promote slave trade in Matari space.

However, if I were to ask you to clarify the how and when you would grudgingly get to the point that they are evacuating resources from Matari owned systems. The act of doing so is not illegal.

I can imagine its frustrating from your point of view that slaves you work so hard to free are currently in the system you just fought for and the only way you can get to them is if you gamble their lives in an assault on a fleeing cargo vessel.

All this being said however don't use propaganda you can't back up with fact. The act of doing so makes you come across like a rebel without a cause. Tearing down the established order is one thing but leaving nothing in its wake makes you no better then drunken raiders.

I would hope if you are to be worthy combatants to our most holy fleets you act like the warriors you claim to be. Show some damned self respect and pride in yourselves by coming to the public with facts and not random utterances of slander laden propaganda.

Darkness is more then absence of light, it is ignorance and corruption. I will be the Bulwark from such things that you may live in the light. Pray so my arms do not grow weary and my footing remain sure.

If you are brave, join me in the dark.

Archbishop
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#186 - 2012-03-14 02:13:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Archbishop
Blessed are those who would provide shelter, food, medical care and a future to the wayward Minmatar. Souls who have been betrayed by the promise of "freedom" in the Republic of Despair. Souls who went to a "home" they had never known after being freed and instead found a violent culture of death and hopelessness. Those servants of PIE and other organizations that have gone out of their way to rescue these poor individuals and have brought them back to the Amarr Empire where they have a future, a hope and a life, these servants are indeed doing the work of God.

Quote:
"Only through many hardships
Is a man stripped to his very foundations
And in such a state
Devoid of distractions
Is his soul free to soar
And in this
He is closest to God"
- The Scriptures, Book of Missions 42:5


It is the duty of all Amarr to save and serve those in need. Slavery is but a means to an end. As said in the Book of Missions a lesson is learned here. These Minmatar, stripped of all pretense, property, hope and joy, forced to live in a culture that cares not for them and provides nothing, stripped to the foundations of their being. Then they find the truth of God. While a Minmatar will never be the chosen of God it does not mean he can not find, nurture and evolve in faith himself. These Minmatar who sought help are just such souls... God bless those who sought to save them and bring them into the light.

His Lordship the Honorable Archbishop

Retired Admiral & CEO of PIE Incorporated

Currently serving as Spiritual Advisor

Elsebeth Rhiannon
Gradient
Electus Matari
#187 - 2012-03-14 15:10:01 UTC
Rodj Blake wrote:
Arkady Sadik wrote:
PS. It's amusing to see how Amarrians can, without flinching, switch from "but we're freeing slaves, just show some patience, the Empress is doing that!" to "we won't free anyone and would love to enslave more of those who do not believe in God" depending on whether they feel like they are on the defensive or on the offensive in a given thread. If you really wonder why others do not trust your word, that is why. Though I suspect you do not actually wonder, you only say so for effect.


An education takes more than an afternoon.

I believe in Commander Sadik's case you had a lot longer than an afternoon, and still failed.

Not that I mind.

Elsebeth
Anabella Rella
Gradient
Electus Matari
#188 - 2012-03-14 15:48:51 UTC
Archbishop wrote:
Blessed are those who would provide shelter, food, medical care and a future to the wayward Minmatar. Souls who have been betrayed by the promise of "freedom" in the Republic of Despair...


I have to once again demand proof of this oft repeated lie regarding the Republic. Where's all this poverty, despair, hunger and hopelessness I keep hearing about? If conditions were truly so wretched as you imperials like to claim people would be streaming OUT of Matari space in huge numbers, seeking refuge in the other nations of the cluster. The fact this is NOT happening seems to put the lie to your assertions.

I was raised in the very heart of the Federation, in a suburb of Caille on Luminaire. I left a comfortable existence to join the Republic's armed forces and then attended Republic Military School for my pilot training. I have lived full time in the Republic since I was a teenager. I know many Matari who've likewise emigrated from the Federation; professionals, tradespeople, artists, soldiers, etc. Like me they chose to relocate to the Republic out of a sense of duty to our people, and we're hardly living in hovels or begging for handouts in the streets so, there's no need to feel sorry for us.

As I've said before Archie just because you repeat a lie quite often and you can convince some to believe it, it doesn't make it the truth.

When the world is running down, you make the best of what's still around.

Meklon
Minmatar United Freedom Front
#189 - 2012-03-19 00:38:18 UTC
*Chuckles to himself lightly...*

...somethings never seem to change.
Aylleen
Die Hard Carebears
#190 - 2012-04-08 07:26:53 UTC
Valerie Valate wrote:
Lies.

Everyone knows "PIE Inc. doesn't undock"

Therefore, this is a fabrication.


Argumentum ad populum.

I am Aylleen, and I approve this message.

Reann Amelana
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#191 - 2012-04-11 06:43:01 UTC
Aylleen wrote:
Valerie Valate wrote:
Lies.

Everyone knows "PIE Inc. doesn't undock"

Therefore, this is a fabrication.


Argumentum ad populum.


It is odd that for a corp that does not undock we still are able to engage and destroy heathen and herratic assets Far from stations. In fact, I myself have lost ships and crew to those awaiting reclamation.

Turn to God and serve him, then you need not fear slavery unto the tenth generation, do not use force against the holy fleets and by the Empresses word, we will bring you to God with words rather than the violence initiated by the Minmatar.
Reann Amelana
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#192 - 2012-04-11 06:51:44 UTC
Arkady Sadik wrote:
Reann Amelana wrote:
When they have no knowledge of unscrupulous traders, financial management and responsibilities or indeed basic understanding of the degenerate ways outside of the borders of the Empire?
Did you just honestly say that "we are horrible at educating these people, hence you may not remove them from our hands"?


PS. It's amusing to see how Amarrians can, without flinching, switch from "but we're freeing slaves, just show some patience, the Empress is doing that!" to "we won't free anyone and would love to enslave more of those who do not believe in God" depending on whether they feel like they are on the defensive or on the offensive in a given thread. If you really wonder why others do not trust your word, that is why. Though I suspect you do not actually wonder, you only say so for effect.


The Empress has stated that after the tenth generation a Minmatar must be freed, to do otherwise is to disobey the most important person in Amarr. We wish to bring others to the faith, often oths journey to the Empire to visit and learn from our monasteries, and indeed become faithful in their own right with no need for subjugation. All that being said it is our duty to bring all races to God, a duty, given to us by God when he made us his servants. Slavery is merely a means to an end, I would prefer to not loose good people or risk killing those before they have been turned to the true faith if I can avoid it. But for all of my hopes I will fly, and I will do my best to save those less fortunate than my own people.
T-B0NE
Doomheim
#193 - 2012-04-13 06:55:12 UTC
Astrid Stjerna wrote:
We've shown seven hundred years of patience, and a fat lot of good it's done for us.
I agree, seven centuries is a long time to be patient. I think the time for patience is over, perhaps it's time to claim the reclaimers, but as they are claimed let them also be liberated, to the darkest corners of the Bleak Lands, and into the furthest reaches of the Great Wildlands. And ye while they walk through the valley of the Thukker, past the hungry eyes of the Blood Raiders, abandoned to their fate, made to be the prey where once they were the predator, let us descend upon Domain and render it to dust...

Ashes to ashes, dust to dust, your empire is failing, PREPARE TO TASTE THE RUST. Twisted

“Death and destruction are necessary to the health of the world, and therefore as natural, and lovable, as birth and life. Only priests and born cowards moan and weep over dying. Brave men face it with approving nonchalance." - Ragnar Redbeard

Rodj Blake
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#194 - 2012-04-13 07:23:46 UTC
T-B0NE wrote:
Astrid Stjerna wrote:
We've shown seven hundred years of patience, and a fat lot of good it's done for us.
I agree, seven centuries is a long time to be patient. I think the time for patience is over, perhaps it's time to claim the reclaimers, but as they are claimed let them also be liberated, to the darkest corners of the Bleak Lands, and into the furthest reaches of the Great Wildlands. And ye while they walk through the valley of the Thukker, past the hungry eyes of the Blood Raiders, abandoned to their fate, made to be the prey where once they were the predator, let us descend upon Domain and render it to dust...

Ashes to ashes, dust to dust, your empire is failing, PREPARE TO TASTE THE RUST. Twisted


Bold words for someone in the Republic Military School.

Dolce et decorum est pro Imperium mori

T-B0NE
Doomheim
#195 - 2012-04-13 07:32:04 UTC
Rodj Blake wrote:
Bold words for someone in the Republic Military School.
What you call bold, I call ambitious. Cool

“Death and destruction are necessary to the health of the world, and therefore as natural, and lovable, as birth and life. Only priests and born cowards moan and weep over dying. Brave men face it with approving nonchalance." - Ragnar Redbeard

Khazarn Areth
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#196 - 2012-04-13 11:17:53 UTC
T-B0NE wrote:
past the hungry eyes of the Blood Raiders, abandoned to their fate, made to be the prey where once they were the predator, let us descend upon Domain and render it to dust...

Ashes to ashes, dust to dust, your empire is failing, PREPARE TO TASTE THE RUST. Twisted


Well dont just drag them past us, that would be teasing.

Bloody Omir's coming back Monsters from the endless black Wading through a crimson flood Omir's come to drink your blood

T-B0NE
Doomheim
#197 - 2012-04-13 16:08:07 UTC
Khazarn Areth wrote:
Well dont just drag them past us, that would be teasing.
I hope it would tease, I hope it would tease enough to drag every Blood Raider within a twenty system radius from their hideout and have them converge upon our dear wayward imperials. And when our "wayward children" find themselves trapped and alone, without ships, in the path of a million bloodlusting Blood Raiders, I hope they pray to their false god, and hear nothing, as their life is drained from them, and all they know fades to darkness.

“Death and destruction are necessary to the health of the world, and therefore as natural, and lovable, as birth and life. Only priests and born cowards moan and weep over dying. Brave men face it with approving nonchalance." - Ragnar Redbeard

T-B0NE
Doomheim
#198 - 2012-04-13 22:22:36 UTC
Conventia Underking wrote:
For the record, Ensign Reann Amelana, Commodore Thgil Goldcore lost their ships in Vard and Commodore Sakkar Arenith, Lieutenant Junia Naqada, Commodore Laerise, Ensign Braxton Parvisu, Admiral Rodj Blake lost their ships in Amamake, including the pod of Lieutenant Naqada.
Anyone bother to collect the meat of Naqada? I'll offer 5mil to add it to my collection.

“Death and destruction are necessary to the health of the world, and therefore as natural, and lovable, as birth and life. Only priests and born cowards moan and weep over dying. Brave men face it with approving nonchalance." - Ragnar Redbeard

Ta Pang
Character Warehouse
#199 - 2012-04-18 16:37:48 UTC
Rodj Blake wrote:
We often have pilots who forcibly emancipate slaves come onto the IGS and claim that the slaves are free to return to the Empire if they wish.

So it's odd that the supporters of violent emancipation would be against PIE transporting Minmatars back home.


Speaking from my own experiences, many of the slave liberation movement are simply in it for their own reasons. Look at Manwe formerly of the Disciples of Ston, suddenly his connection to the Angels is revealed and he disappears, throwing any in his way under the hoverbus....
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