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Proposal [Disband the CSM]
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Deviana Sevidon
Jades Falcon Guards
#1 - 2012-01-18 13:35:11 UTC
Yes, you read right, the council of serious internet spaceships has outlived it's usefulness. The only things left on their agendas are those that benefit the CSM leaders super alliances most.

They cannot claim to represent the majority of the playerbase and on their agenda is only about their personal benefit and for this crap they let themselves be carried to Iceland a few times a year, adding even more cost to CCP.

It is time to end the 'experiment' and disband the CSM.

....as if 10,058 Goon voices cried out and were suddenly silenced.
Drake Draconis
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#2 - 2012-01-18 14:51:59 UTC
Deviana Sevidon wrote:
Yes, you read right, the council of serious internet spaceships has outlived it's usefulness. The only things left on their agendas are those that benefit the CSM leaders super alliances most.

They cannot claim to represent the majority of the playerbase and on their agenda is only about their personal benefit and for this crap they let themselves be carried to Iceland a few times a year, adding even more cost to CCP.

It is time to end the 'experiment' and disband the CSM.


Only if you are permanently banned.

Otherwise not supporting.

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Nicolo da'Vicenza
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#3 - 2012-01-18 15:16:15 UTC
ban npc forum alts from csm forums
Ya Huei
Imperial Collective
#4 - 2012-01-18 15:43:33 UTC
Not this again.
Goose99
#5 - 2012-01-18 15:55:46 UTC
Supported +1
Disdaine
#6 - 2012-01-18 16:03:35 UTC
Plus one.
Prince Kobol
#7 - 2012-01-18 16:26:58 UTC
No as the CSM create oceans of Tears and that alone is enough for me Big smile
Smiling Menace
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2012-01-18 18:46:27 UTC
Obviously the OP doesn't read the CSM minutes of the meetings in Iceland.

If you did, you would realise very quickly that the CSM is not doing out of their self interest but for the interests of ALL EVE players.

As I said before on one of these threads, CCP would never allow the CSM dictate how they ran their business. It just would never happen and you are living on another planet if you think otherwise.

Not supported.
King Rothgar
Deadly Solutions
#9 - 2012-01-18 18:48:40 UTC  |  Edited by: King Rothgar
I suggest reading the CSM minutes, all there looks pretty reasonable to me. In fact it's utterly uncontroversial.

Edit: Exception is the idea of some sort of WH stabilizer. But it was merely something discussed, I didn't get the impression it had wide support.

[u]Fireworks and snowballs are great, but what I really want is a corpse launcher.[/u]
Asuka Solo
I N E X T R E M I S
Tactical Narcotics Team
#10 - 2012-01-18 21:20:50 UTC
The CSM doesn't ask me what I want or what is in my interests. They run out to CCP land with a short list of items that are populist in nature, or what serves their own alliance / power block agendas by nature of having the sheer support of thousands of sheep that fear for their membership and pretend that their interests are my interests.

And when I bother telling the CSM what my interests are, they tell me to get lost, that game designers do wonders or wont care about my interests or suggestions. Most importantly, all they ever do is waste my time with bullpoop politics.

CCP is starting to take an active interest in the player base's wants and desires, as evident by the WiS team actively engaging with players regarding the future of WiS. They talk to us, which, as I understand it, is what the CSM was designed to facilitate in the first place. Communication between players and the powers that be. Now that the powers that be have woken up and started paying attention, this CSM thing can go die in a fire.

+1

Eve is about Capital ships, WiS, Boobs, PI and Isk!
Wolodymyr
Breaking Ambitions
#11 - 2012-01-18 21:24:34 UTC
Asuka Solo wrote:
The CSM doesn't ask me what I want or what is in my interests. They run out to CCP land with a short list of items that are populist in nature

That basically describes how a democracy works.

"Why is it every election nobody asks me personally what I want. But instead delivers stuff the vast majority of people want?"

Also have you read the latest CSM minutes, it's pretty awesome stuff.

I honestly think PoCo based sov is a good idea https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1417544
Drake Draconis
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#12 - 2012-01-18 21:47:22 UTC
Asuka Solo wrote:
The CSM doesn't ask me what I want or what is in my interests.



Nobody asked me what you wantted either...and I sure as hell don't want it.

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Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#13 - 2012-01-18 22:04:49 UTC
the mittani suicide ganked my hulk i am very angry disband the csm please, ccp

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#14 - 2012-01-18 22:05:28 UTC
Asuka Solo wrote:
The CSM doesn't ask me what I want or what is in my interests. They run out to CCP land with a short list of items that are populist in nature, or what serves their own alliance / power block agendas by nature of having the sheer support of thousands of sheep that fear for their membership and pretend that their interests are my interests.

And when I bother telling the CSM what my interests are, they tell me to get lost, that game designers do wonders or wont care about my interests or suggestions. Most importantly, all they ever do is waste my time with bullpoop politics.

CCP is starting to take an active interest in the player base's wants and desires, as evident by the WiS team actively engaging with players regarding the future of WiS. They talk to us, which, as I understand it, is what the CSM was designed to facilitate in the first place. Communication between players and the powers that be. Now that the powers that be have woken up and started paying attention, this CSM thing can go die in a fire.

+1


nobody wants your WiS crap

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ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
#15 - 2012-01-19 01:39:18 UTC
Thread #986144091784987127460 on disbanding the CSM.

How did you Veterans start?
Rhichi Ramjag
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#16 - 2012-01-19 01:39:43 UTC
Andski wrote:
Asuka Solo wrote:
The CSM doesn't ask me what I want or what is in my interests. They run out to CCP land with a short list of items that are populist in nature, or what serves their own alliance / power block agendas by nature of having the sheer support of thousands of sheep that fear for their membership and pretend that their interests are my interests.

And when I bother telling the CSM what my interests are, they tell me to get lost, that game designers do wonders or wont care about my interests or suggestions. Most importantly, all they ever do is waste my time with bullpoop politics.

CCP is starting to take an active interest in the player base's wants and desires, as evident by the WiS team actively engaging with players regarding the future of WiS. They talk to us, which, as I understand it, is what the CSM was designed to facilitate in the first place. Communication between players and the powers that be. Now that the powers that be have woken up and started paying attention, this CSM thing can go die in a fire.

+1


nobody wants your WiS crap


You are always good for a laugh my man.
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#17 - 2012-01-19 02:34:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Andski
none of the "disband the CSM" threads really list anything that CSM 6 has done wrong, they just whine about the fact that less than half of the CSM members are part of large nullsec alliances (hint, the majority are not)

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Smiling Menace
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#18 - 2012-01-19 07:22:39 UTC
Andski wrote:
none of the "disband the CSM" threads really list anything that CSM 6 has done wrong, they just whine about the fact that less than half of the CSM members are part of large nullsec alliances (hint, the majority are not)


Of course they don't dude. That would require :effort: and totally negate their baseless whine posts.

No-one asked for my opinion on what was discussed in Iceland between CCP and the CSM but as a rational human being, I can read and see that the changes proposed benefit all EVE players.

Here's a tip, instead of crying about no-one listening to your thoughts on game play mechanics, how about post them here so we can all see what you want to change?
Blatant Forum Alt
Doomheim
#19 - 2012-01-19 10:04:08 UTC
Asuka Solo wrote:
The CSM doesn't ask me what I want or what is in my interests. They run out to CCP land with a short list of items that are populist in nature, or what serves their own alliance / power block agendas by nature of having the sheer support of thousands of sheep that fear for their membership and pretend that their interests are my interests.

And when I bother telling the CSM what my interests are, they tell me to get lost, that game designers do wonders or wont care about my interests or suggestions. Most importantly, all they ever do is waste my time with bullpoop politics.

CCP is starting to take an active interest in the player base's wants and desires, as evident by the WiS team actively engaging with players regarding the future of WiS. They talk to us, which, as I understand it, is what the CSM was designed to facilitate in the first place. Communication between players and the powers that be. Now that the powers that be have woken up and started paying attention, this CSM thing can go die in a fire.

+1


What is this ****? Grow a pair.
Elane010
Doomheim
#20 - 2012-01-24 09:50:49 UTC
+1 supported
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