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DONT NERF MY DRAKE PLEASE I BEG OF YOU
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seany1212
M Y S T
#61 - 2012-01-19 02:02:22 UTC
LOL at all the crying about drake changes, its a brick with the ability to spit missiles to around 70km regardless of whether its for PVP or PVE, it was my first battlecruiser and looking in comparison to the rest of them i use (gallente, minmatar and ferox (lol)) its easily the tankiest of the lot, i was even running C3 anomalies in them at one point with a massively passive resist one. Long overdue and for the guy who suggested CCP was starting down a slippery nerfing slope LOL, where have you been for pretty much the entire existence of eve? look up nano-nerf, for the most obvious change i'd say, i miss those days where stilleto's would do 12km/s Cry
Surge Roth
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#62 - 2012-01-19 02:16:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Surge Roth
mkint wrote:
"I want to keep my easy mode ship that requires no thought nor talent to fly!"

Drake sucks. People fly it because it's made for stupid people. Anyone defending it is revealing their intelligence.


Your intelligence is what's low here buddy.
Hate to break it to you pal, but every ship in this game requires "no though or talent" to fly. You double click some where and press f1. Congrats you're a master at eve. World of Warcraft PvE requires more skill than that.

Simply put, the Drake is a well rounded ship. It ain't anything to write home to though. As I've said before, the only thing this stupid ship has going for it is it has a decent tank.
Just because CCP wants to compromise the different stat bonuses the ship has doesn't mean it's ok. It's still a nerf and still ******** to do so.
Famble
Three's a Crowd
#63 - 2012-01-19 02:24:37 UTC
Surge Roth wrote:
mkint wrote:
"I want to keep my easy mode ship that requires no thought nor talent to fly!"

Drake sucks. People fly it because it's made for stupid people. Anyone defending it is revealing their intelligence.


Your intelligence is what's low here buddy.
Hate to break it to you pal, but every ship in this game requires "no though or talent" to fly. You double click some where and press f1. Congrats you're a master at eve. World of Warcraft PvE requires more skill than that.

Simply put, the Drake is a well rounded ship. It ain't anything to write home to though. As I've said before, the only thing this stupid ship has going for it is it has a decent tank.
Just because CCP wants to compromise the different stat bonuses the ship has doesn't mean it's ok. It's still a nerf and still ******** to do so.


You used "decent" surely you meant "amazing". Unless you were comparing it to battlesips, in which case you have my apologies. In that case "decent" is the exact word I'd have used. I hear it has pretty good range too...

If anyone ever looks at you and says,_ "Hold my beer, watch this,"_  you're probably going to want to pay attention.
Surge Roth
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#64 - 2012-01-19 02:26:26 UTC
Ranger 1 wrote:
Lots of misinformation in this thread... just to reinterate.

A ROF bonus = more damage than a 5% kinetic damage bonus, and is applicable to all damage types.

Your typical properly fit Drake will currently ignore the damage of a comparable Harby or Hurricane and pound it to a pulp over time or force it to withdraw. As always, there are exceptions to this rule.

Even post change the Drake can still mount a very nice tank, while delivering more (selectable) damage at longer ranges.

When a "new" player can quickly jump into a Drake and do level 4's with impunity at little expense, this indicates a problem.


When anyone follows a guide on eve-survival, they can handle a level 4.
Have no guide and pulled the whole room? Have fun dying like the rest of them.
Never mind the fact that by the time a drake gets done with a mission like, the blockade, my battlehsip will have completely killed everything in it and completed 3 more blockades fully.
Surge Roth
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#65 - 2012-01-19 02:29:19 UTC
Famble wrote:
Surge Roth wrote:
mkint wrote:
"I want to keep my easy mode ship that requires no thought nor talent to fly!"

Drake sucks. People fly it because it's made for stupid people. Anyone defending it is revealing their intelligence.


Your intelligence is what's low here buddy.
Hate to break it to you pal, but every ship in this game requires "no though or talent" to fly. You double click some where and press f1. Congrats you're a master at eve. World of Warcraft PvE requires more skill than that.

Simply put, the Drake is a well rounded ship. It ain't anything to write home to though. As I've said before, the only thing this stupid ship has going for it is it has a decent tank.
Just because CCP wants to compromise the different stat bonuses the ship has doesn't mean it's ok. It's still a nerf and still ******** to do so.


You used "decent" surely you meant "amazing". Unless you were comparing it to battlesips, in which case you have my apologies. In that case "decent" is the exact word I'd have used. I hear it has pretty good range too...


Just decent.
Rico Minali
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#66 - 2012-01-19 09:36:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Rico Minali
met worst wrote:
Rico Minali wrote:
Words.
Also, poasting in a tears thread.

This coming from a guy that did nothing but rat in PXF with a..... wait for it...... DRAKE

Obviously don't need it anymore huh?



I never ratted in pxf in a drake, I ratted in the quieter systems in a drake, facts are important. You may like to chance a look at killboards before saying ALL I did, everyone needs isk, so yep. I rat and do anomolies for my isk. The rest of my time was spent building my (so far) list of over 1600 kills.

Also, confirming I post with my main, no matter what I have to say. Because I am not afraid.

Trust me, I almost know what I'm doing.
Aineko Macx
#67 - 2012-01-19 09:41:11 UTC
The nerf is overdue and with the changes to bonuses the Drake might actually go from a boring to an interesting ship.
Damage selecting HAM Drake with 30km range and 700+ dps looks sweet!

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Florestan Bronstein
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#68 - 2012-01-19 09:59:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Florestan Bronstein
In a good game there should be many "hard" decisions with no an obvious outcome.
Currently the Drake is the obvious choice for a new player's first battlecruiser and that's bad.

Its suitability for pvp & pve, its tank and its long range make it far more versatile than any other battlecruiser.

And - as most shield tanked ships - it has very low SP requirements (compare to a Harbinger where you need T2 guns, Advanced Weapon Upgrades and good capacitor skills for any useful pvp fitting).

There is hardly a shield fleet to which you could not take a Drake - be it a double-web nano Drake or a 70km+ kiting Drake. The 6 mid slots and the large base tank make it a great utility platform (target painter, webs, sensor damps, points - you name it).

The option to switch damage types and its huge tank make it a decent ratting choice even in regions that are not well suited to shield users in general (e.g. Sansha/Blood Raiders).

The upgrade path to a Tengu which has become the ratting ship of choice and shares many of the Drake's benefits (suitability for pvp, long range, good tank, ...) adds a lot to the Drake's value.

The Drake may not be the best bc for a high SP player and may not always win a 1v1 against the other tier2 battlecruisers but the whole package it offers makes answering the "Which ship do I tell a newbie to train into?" question far too one-dimensional & easy to answer.

+1 for giving the Drake a more narrowly defined role.
Anya Ohaya
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#69 - 2012-01-19 23:55:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Anya Ohaya
met worst wrote:
Anya Ohaya wrote:
1. Take drake into C1/C2 wormhole
2. pull all the triggers and lol as drake easily tanks dozens of sleepers, even with no hardeners.
4. point and click missiles. Range, meh, traversal, meh.
5. profit

Passive shield tanking is OP, especially for ships with shield resistance bonuses.

Can I come watch you do this? (The underline bit - in a C2).


Tanky fit drakes can take over 600 dps with invulns shut down. Over 700 dps if you use resistance amps or rechargers. More realistically you can easily fit a drake to tank 440 dps with invulns shut down.
TS0
The Konvergent League
#70 - 2012-02-15 02:05:47 UTC  |  Edited by: TS0
Drake uses missiles,thus creates lag...drake become popular....creats lag...to fix....break drake so not used...=lag fixed


Thats all this chnage is over..lag..

Teir 3 bc's didnt get drones,naga didnt get missile..both create lag..to fix..they didnt get drones and missiles..

If ya want to fix lag...,as ive always said if fielding 1000+ ppl onto 1 grid creats to much lag to be playable..then dont..field 3-4 groups at 3-4 differnt locations at the same time, attcking differnt things at once...make sov constellation based and not single system based, forceing multiple locations to be attacked at once..not just 1, thus breaking up the blobfest from hell..and ya fix lag and you can leave the drake alone

Though that would mean FC'in might actually be hard..but o well
Lili Lu
#71 - 2012-02-15 03:46:20 UTC
TS0 wrote:
Drake uses missiles,thus creates lag...drake become popular....creats lag...to fix....break drake so not used...=lag fixed


Thats all this chnage is over..lag..

Teir 3 bc's didnt get drones,naga didnt get missile..both create lag..to fix..they didnt get drones and missiles..

If ya want to fix lag...,as ive always said if fielding 1000+ ppl onto 1 grid creats to much lag to be playable..then dont..field 3-4 groups at 3-4 differnt locations at the same time, attcking differnt things at once...make sov constellation based and not single system based, forceing multiple locations to be attacked at once..not just 1, thus breaking up the blobfest from hell..and ya fix lag and you can leave the drake alone

Though that would mean FC'in might actually be hard..but o well

The drake nerf (alteration) is not being prepared because of missiles creating lag. Oh **** it, see my response in the new thread you created.

Meanwhile the drake is singing "don't cry for me Argentina" Roll
Soldarius
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#72 - 2012-02-15 03:58:18 UTC
Want to see proposed Drake fit with 30+km HAMs, when current limit is 18km. Also, you do realize that if the velocity bonus is applies to HMLs as well, you'll have a missile spewing monstrosity that projects good dps out past 150km, and has a better tank than nearly every medium hull, right?

NERF DRAKE! NERF DRAKE! Oh, wait. We just killed HACs. Now what?

The proper fix would be to buff HAM range in general, then reduce their PG requirement, then reduce the Drake's PG allotment.

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Reilly Duvolle
Hydra Squadron
#73 - 2012-02-15 06:37:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Reilly Duvolle
Hilmar, Hilmar, Hilmar, Hilmaaaaar
Im begging of you please don't nerf my Drake
Hilmar, Hilmar, Hilmar, Hilmaaaaar
Please don't nerf it just to make me ache

Its beauty is beyond compare
With missile slots and panels square
With greyish skin and lights of emerald green

Its front is like a breath of spring
Its salvos soft like summer rain
And nothing compares to it on screen

I talk about it in my sleep
There's nothing I can do to keep
From crying when I call its name my queen.

And I can easily understand
How you could easily make it banned
But you don't know what she is to me, I mean

Hilmar, Hilmar, Hilmar, Hilmaaaaar
Im begging of you please don't nerf my Drake
Hilmar, Hilmar, Hilmar, Hilmaaaaar
Please don't nerf it just to make me ache

....

Cool

Edit: Sorry, I just got visions of Dolly Parton when reading the thread title. Carry on.
Lexmana
#74 - 2012-02-15 08:34:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Lexmana
Valei Khurelem wrote:
nerfs don't work if the whole system is imbalanced to begin with, people will either complain the drake is underpowered or that something else has become overpowered because of a drake nerfing.


Lol. So much stupid. How would you go about balancing then, buff all other ships??

BTW, to all of you that think CCP only nerfs things. Have you forgotten about the buffs for AF, gallente, hybrids, T2 ammo, BC lineup, dreads, destroyers ...

Balancing a game is about nerfing and buffing and redefining roles and that is what they are doing to the drake. All at the same time.