EVE General Discussion

Win.

i take anything you say with a pitch of salt you still think dreads have a 10 min siege lol

You didn't know that until Antir posted it. I recall it being discussed, but I didn't know it was live. You have been told, begone.

Make implants unplugable. May as well considering that's all we use JCs for now.

"But that'll crash the market for implants-" GOOD! Christ I'm sick of people having to stay docked and not going out to play and try to enjoy this damn game because they're scared of losing a head full of these stupid things, I just want to pod them just so they can be done with them and go have some fun. Fucks sake! And I'm tired of people who choose not to PvP having an advantage when it comes to skill training, along with their zero-risk empire money fountains.

Some super carriers are definitely more useful than others, although all are pretty good at structure grinding.

Aeons still have close to 50 million eHP going into a real fight, with an Erebus as FC and the right armor gang links active. In a battle, they function like giant Guardians that can do 8,000 dps (to capitals) in addition to repping.

Nyxes, while probably not as awesome as the aeon, can still function in the same way, but have a lot less tank and are restricted on the range of their cap transfers (if they use them), but you get an extra 2,000 dps.

Wyverns and Hels are going to suck a bit less once deadspace invulns become more common, but without an implant set with similar shield bonuses as slaves give for armor, they are going to remain relatively soft targets compared to other super carriers.

Now that super carriers can't use normal drones, they aren't as great at doing EVERYTHING as they used to be, but they still fill a crucial role in any supercapital fight by being very highly tanked logistics powerhouses that also do 8,000 dps to other capitals.

Titans other than the Leviathan are currently quite good at killing support, especially if the support they are killing are properly webbed/painted/scrammed. For the most part though, they do require support to operate effectively, and they also require super carrier support in any real super capital engagement. In some ways, the capabilities of titans in it's current state makes sense, and in others it doesn't. It makes perfect sense that a well-organized group of people fielding a mixed group of titans, super carriers and support ships can operate very, very efficiently. On the other hand, it doesn't make a lot of sense that there are few or no counters to a mixed unit of titans/supers/support, other than bringing MORE titans/supers/support.

I think there is a lot of potential in the idea kicked around in the CSM minutes about giving Electronic Assault Frigates a broader role by possibly letting them effect super capitals somehow. By doing this, CCP would provide not only a working counter to supercapital blobs, but also a fairly easy to train option for younger players wanting to get into PvP to do something very, very useful in fleets while building up skill points. It's very important that CCP be very cautious if they decide to expand the role of EAFs in this way, but the current design philosophy of iteration seems to be a good fit for any such potential changes. Regular-variety Ewar probably wouldn't work either, we'd likely need new mods (possibly high slot EAF only mods) which would be directly aimed at titans and supers, with things like tracking disruption or maybe drone bandwidth reduction for supers (1 less fighter/bomber for every EAF using that module on the super).

Frankly, Aiwha won this thread, and gained a like on nearly every post. He amused me that much.

His points are also incredibly valid.

now that moros is just silly.

Should they be completely defenseless against them? Even most battleships have some way of dealing with a pesky little rifter, why shouldn't an expensive, and expensive to train super?

Aye.

Add t2 Capital EWAR good for super pointing/nerfing.

Boost current Sub Cap EWAR to be awesome vs sub caps and caps.

Prevent the midgets from touching the giants and vice versa, boost caps for epic sub cap pew pew and super cap suicide.

Resoruce scarcity... Isk and skill points are no longer an issue with such vessels. But if the alliances cannot accumulate sufficent materials to produce many Titans or Motherships then the loss of these vessels will be a blow as they cannot be quickly/easly replaced.