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Shalee Lianne
Banana-Republic.
Shadow Cartel
#1 - 2012-01-18 01:56:33 UTC
What are the official rules about what can be said in local, if there are any. Are people just allow to say whatever and it is the responsibility to block people if you don't like what they say?
Or can you report them?
I mean, I get that smack talking is part of the game, but sometimes it goes far beyond what should be allowed, so I'd like to know if there are any official rules on such.
Thanks!
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Sendo Jarix
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#2 - 2012-01-18 02:06:07 UTC
Always spam local with porn, always.
Rene Fullchest
Doomheim
#3 - 2012-01-18 02:12:07 UTC
AFAIK, only frank racist and homophobic speech is actionable, only if petitioned, and then probably only a warning. Oh, and the last name of the Adolph of WWII is, or was, prohibited.

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...but sometimes it goes far beyond what should be allowed...


This, really, is where you go wrong. What is objectionable to you is perfectly alright with others. The game is not about appealing to the lowest common denominator. Rather, it is all about the freedom to work the sandbox as each sees fit.

Personally, my advice would be to block those you find speaking in a manner you don't like, or to harden up and worry about those things you really can control.
Shalee Lianne
Banana-Republic.
Shadow Cartel
#4 - 2012-01-18 02:29:07 UTC
Yeah, I'm pretty 'hardened up' tbh. I usually just ignore most everything cause I realize the intent of the other player. I know it's usually just to get a rise out of somebody.
But surely there has to be some sort of limit, surely theres a rule or something. I mean, it can't be okay for some random assed guy to be talking about raping a preteen, in local. You know?
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Ai Shun
#5 - 2012-01-18 02:46:08 UTC
Shalee Lianne wrote:
What are the official rules about what can be said in local, if there are any. Are people just allow to say whatever and it is the responsibility to block people if you don't like what they say?
Or can you report them?
I mean, I get that smack talking is part of the game, but sometimes it goes far beyond what should be allowed, so I'd like to know if there are any official rules on such.
Thanks!


Did you have a look on the main website under knowledge base? A search there on "Chat" brings up this page, which has a number of sub-sections. It does not appear as if the rules they list there are even close to being enforced, but it might give you some indication on what to raise if you do raise a petition.

The case you mentioned in post 4 seems like the thing to report, definitely.

Be aware they have exceptionally long petition queues; depending on the category.
Sentient Blade
Crisis Atmosphere
Coalition of the Unfortunate
#6 - 2012-01-18 03:10:26 UTC
There are not any local chat rules per say - the ones you need to be looking at are the general terms and conditions as referenced in the EULA:

http://www.eveonline.com/pnp/terms.asp.
Palovana
Inner Fire Inc.
#7 - 2012-01-18 04:40:27 UTC
Shalee Lianne wrote:
(snip) But surely there has to be some sort of limit, surely theres a rule or something. I mean, it can't be okay for some random assed guy to be talking about raping a preteen, in local. You know?

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Thorn Galen
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse
The Curatores Veritatis Auxiliary
#8 - 2012-01-18 05:21:28 UTC
Shalee Lianne wrote:
Yeah, I'm pretty 'hardened up' tbh. I usually just ignore most everything cause I realize the intent of the other player. I know it's usually just to get a rise out of somebody.
But surely there has to be some sort of limit, surely theres a rule or something. I mean, it can't be okay for some random assed guy to be talking about raping a preteen, in local. You know?


Shalee, if that is a fact, if that is what someone states in the channel, make sure you have it all logged, date and time logged as well. I can assure you that if you then email that entire log (for context) to the proper Internet Authority, action can be taken. There is this delusion by many people on the internet today, whether it is playing MMO's or social chat sites, that they are invisible, untouchable and that they can literally get away with murder.

If you are in Europe, there is an organisation which will deal with such individuals. It all falls under Cyber-bullying. Although it is not bullying per-say, it is covered under their mandate.

In the U.S., you should report such events to :-
http://www.cyberbullyalert.com/blog/2008/10/cyber-bullying-state-laws-and-policies/

In the U.K. :-
http://www.teachtoday.eu/en/Teacher-advice/Cyberbullying/What-laws-are-there-to-help-protect-me-from-cyberbullying.aspx

If you are really serious about stopping such idiocy in this game, which is passed off as "adult speak", I urge you to read up on the relevant site.

There is no such thing as "I am invisible and cannot be traced" on the Internet.

(I would not bother with petitioning CCP as their responses in such matters are less than adequate)

It's laughable at how such statements are passed-off as "this is an adult game". Aiiight.

o/

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Renan Ruivo
Forcas armadas
Brave Collective
#9 - 2012-01-18 05:38:56 UTC
Let me tell you a story. Where i live, its ilegal for air-conditioning units to drip water in the sidewalk.

No sane police officer walks around the sidewalk monitoring this, however. If you make a formal complaint about someone's ACU leaking water into the street then someone will issue a warning. Said warning is pre-written and generic.. its useable in several different infractions.

Why? Because if someone were to actually write an individual warning to the owner of the ACU it would read "Don't do that... its bad... mmkay.."


So if someone talks about raping a pre-teen in local and you report it.. its quite possible that person will get a warning. However why you would waste your time by reporting something that has been said in local (unless you're doing it out of spite) is beyond me.

The world is a community of idiots doing a series of things until it explodes and we all die.
Renan Ruivo
Forcas armadas
Brave Collective
#10 - 2012-01-18 05:47:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Renan Ruivo
Thorn Galen wrote:
Shalee Lianne wrote:
Yeah, I'm pretty 'hardened up' tbh. I usually just ignore most everything cause I realize the intent of the other player. I know it's usually just to get a rise out of somebody.
But surely there has to be some sort of limit, surely theres a rule or something. I mean, it can't be okay for some random assed guy to be talking about raping a preteen, in local. You know?


Shalee, if that is a fact, if that is what someone states in the channel, make sure you have it all logged, date and time logged as well. I can assure you that if you then email that entire log (for context) to the proper Internet Authority, action can be taken. There is this delusion by many people on the internet today, whether it is playing MMO's or social chat sites, that they are invisible, untouchable and that they can literally get away with murder.

If you are in Europe, there is an organisation which will deal with such individuals. It all falls under Cyber-bullying. Although it is not bullying per-say, it is covered under their mandate.

In the U.S., you should report such events to :-
http://www.cyberbullyalert.com/blog/2008/10/cyber-bullying-state-laws-and-policies/

In the U.K. :-
http://www.teachtoday.eu/en/Teacher-advice/Cyberbullying/What-laws-are-there-to-help-protect-me-from-cyberbullying.aspx

If you are really serious about stopping such idiocy in this game, which is passed off as "adult speak", I urge you to read up on the relevant site.

There is no such thing as "I am invisible and cannot be traced" on the Internet.

(I would not bother with petitioning CCP as their responses in such matters are less than adequate)

It's laughable at how such statements are passed-off as "this is an adult game". Aiiight.

o/



There's a fine line between acting towards keeping the world free of such filth and keeping your own mental health. You can become quite emotionally unstable if you let yourself get troubled too much by things that don't directly affect you or your livelyhood.

Calling the police to report a car plate number whose owner is quite obvioulsy drunk is one thing.. worrying about one liners people say on the internet is another.

I don't argue it as being "adult talk". To me i just realize that.. well.. c'est la vie.

The world is a community of idiots doing a series of things until it explodes and we all die.
Shaalira D'arc
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2012-01-18 05:52:12 UTC
You can report people for over-the-top comments in local. I've seen people muted when they've crossed the line in local smack. Those cases I saw involved racial slurs, but I'm sure talk of raping a pre-teen would justify the censure as well.

I don't know whether CCP does anything more than mute people.

You can report people via the petition system.
Ai Shun
#12 - 2012-01-18 06:08:59 UTC
Renan Ruivo wrote:
There's a fine line between acting towards keeping the world free of such filth and keeping your own mental health. You can become quite emotionally unstable if you let yourself get troubled too much by things that don't directly affect you or your livelyhood.

Calling the police to report a car plate number whose owner is quite obvioulsy drunk is one thing.. worrying about one liners people say on the internet is another.

I don't argue it as being "adult talk". To me i just realize that.. well.. c'est la vie.


At the same time, we must decide what type of society we want to live in. You may be able to say, "Hey, c'est la vie, somebody is talking about raping a child. It's not me." Other people, well. They will try to keep their moral conscience clear.

And don't give me **** about controlling people.

Raping a child? That is a line that should not be crossed, not even as a sick, perverted joke. I hope CCP treats that report with the gravity it deserves, because I, for one, do not want to live and interact with people who think that is funny or just "c'est la vie".
ShipToaster
#13 - 2012-01-18 07:17:55 UTC
If this sort of 'tard talk offends you then EVE is not the game for you.

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Zleon Leigh
#14 - 2012-01-18 08:33:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Zleon Leigh
Shaalira D'arc wrote:

I don't know whether CCP does anything more than mute people.


That's the issue - as far as putting a stop to all sorts of EULA / TOS / Human decency exceptions - we have zero factual feedback that CCP is doing ANYTHING. Nada. Zip.

At least if I had mute and clear buttons on local I could shut it off and clear it out on my own. And no - I don't want to just close it - when I get out of Jita I like to use local, but not have dreck left in it.

Out of curiosity - what is the maturity ratings put on the boxed releases of EVE?

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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises
Otherworld Empire
#15 - 2012-01-18 08:43:07 UTC
Block feature?

But the links posted before should give an indication, I'd love to see personal filtering though so I can replace anyone saying Scordite with Veldspar!

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Othran
Route One
#16 - 2012-01-18 09:38:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Othran
Ai Shun wrote:
Raping a child? That is a line that should not be crossed, not even as a sick, perverted joke. I hope CCP treats that report with the gravity it deserves, because I, for one, do not want to live and interact with people who think that is funny or just "c'est la vie".


I think you'll find that CCP will do very little. ISTR that a guy called Rells had similar problems but worse - new baby daughter, he got repeated smack about sexually abusing the girl and posting pictures of it. I don't believe CCP did anything about it despite petitions.

Block and make a note in the character's info as to why you did it - eg snippet of logfile - then forget the worthless scum.

Edit - although section 3a of the Suspension & Bans Policy says :

Severe offences may result in an immediate ban without warning; however, warnings may be given for first time offenses, followed by account suspensions of varying degree and ultimately a permanent ban if a player:

a. Is abusive, obscene, offensive, sexually explicit, ethnically or racially offensive, or threatening to another player or an official EVE Online representative.

So in theory it ought to be possible to get something done.
malaire
#17 - 2012-01-18 10:22:57 UTC
If you do decide to petition, use Rules & Policies / Harassment -category.

I have done several petitions there, e.g. porn image, password stealing link, ISK selling evemail [cant use report ISK seller for evemails], newbie baiting in rookie systems, etc.

That category is handled extremely fast, often just few minutes until reply. Reply is allways standard "we can't tell what we are going to do about this", but at least they are aware of the situation.

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Florestan Bronstein
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#18 - 2012-01-18 11:18:31 UTC
Rene Fullchest wrote:
AFAIK, only frank racist and homophobic speech is actionable, only if petitioned, and then probably only a warning.

GMs also hand out temporary gags.
Jafit McJafitson
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#19 - 2012-01-18 12:11:48 UTC
Florestan Bronstein wrote:
Rene Fullchest wrote:
AFAIK, only frank racist and homophobic speech is actionable, only if petitioned, and then probably only a warning.

GMs also hand out temporary gags.


Kinky
Barakkus
#20 - 2012-01-18 15:10:24 UTC
Rene Fullchest wrote:
AFAIK, only frank racist and homophobic speech is actionable, only if petitioned, and then probably only a warning. Oh, and the last name of the Adolph of WWII is, or was, prohibited..


You'll get muted as well as warned.

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