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Craggus
Doomheim
#1 - 2012-01-17 20:21:22 UTC
For all you guys that have exploration "careers", when you are scanning our sites and doing the sites.. do you use one ship for everything or 1 ship for scanning and 1 ship for doing the site? It seems there would be a lot of moving around so using 1 ship would seem ideal. I was looking at possibly doing a bit of exploration and wasnt sure if I should set up 2 ships or not.

I would probably be using a Tengu for this.
Kilrayn
Caldari Provisions
#2 - 2012-01-17 20:24:51 UTC
You are correct in assuming that you will be mobile. One ship is the way to go unless you have multiple accounts. Tengu is the king of high sec scanning. Any of the t3s will work well though (just dont fly a proteus, ishtar is better for gallente although it can't fit for deep space probes).

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SexTrader
LOst BrotherhoOd
#3 - 2012-01-17 20:27:30 UTC
+1 for the Tengu. I use it for all sites, except I don't do high sec Mag or Ladar.Ugh
Craggus
Doomheim
#4 - 2012-01-17 20:30:48 UTC
Would you mind posting your fit for the Tengu?
Kilrayn
Caldari Provisions
#5 - 2012-01-17 20:34:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Kilrayn
Unfortunately I'm at work right now and on my laptop which has nothing eve related on it, that and I'm not sure how much you're willing to spend, the fit is about a bil isk at the moment.

Basic idea though, get 6 hmls and an expanded launcher for highs, BCUs in lows, and however much tank you feel you need with any AB/mwd/codebreaker etc in your mids. I'm rigged for missiles, some use a scanning rig though.

You may need to mess with the subsystems in eft or something similar to get all the highs sorted out. IIRC the capacitor regen eng sub is the one that gets you that extra launcher slot.

Also if you find me in game, I'll gladly link it to you. I'll be on in about 3 hours from now.

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Craggus
Doomheim
#6 - 2012-01-17 20:38:03 UTC
Kilrayn wrote:
Unfortunately I'm at work right now and on my laptop which has nothing eve related on it, that and I'm not sure how much you're willing to spend, the fit is about a bil isk at the moment.

Basic idea though, get 6 hmls and an expanded launcher for highs, BCUs in lows, and however much tank you feel you need with any AB/mwd/codebreaker etc in your mids. I'm rigged for missiles, some use a scanning rig though.


Cost would be irrelevant. Although, I would refuse to officer fit the Tengu XD

I already have a Tengu, I would only need to change out subs possibly and a few mods. Can't remember how exactly its fit as it in a courier contract right now.
Kilrayn
Caldari Provisions
#7 - 2012-01-17 20:45:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Kilrayn
[Tengu, HS Serp Explorer]
Tengu Defensive - Adaptive Shielding
Tengu Electronics - Emergent Locus Analyzer
Tengu Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir
Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay
Tengu Propulsion - Gravitational Capacitor

6x Heavy Missile Launcher II (Scourge Fury Heavy Missile)
Sisters Expanded Probe Launcher (Sisters Deep Space Scanner Probe)

Gistum C-Type Medium Shield Booster
Corelum C-Type 10MN MicroWarpdrive
Gist B-Type Ballistic Deflection Field
2x Gist B-Type Heat Dissipation Field
Sensor Booster II (Scan Resolution)

3x Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System

Medium Bay Loading Accelerator I
Medium Warhead Rigor Catalyst I
Medium Warhead Flare Catalyst I

The fit is VERY tight on powergrid with the MWD. For me, it runs at 99.9%. With skills though, it'll get over 700 dps and tank and laugh at anything you'll find in empire. Also, don't pin down sites with the deep space probes. Use them according to St Mio's deep space probe exploration guide (silly in-game browser won't let me insert links Evil). It's in this same forum.

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1-Up Mushroom
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#8 - 2012-01-17 23:39:03 UTC
Get legion, lasers are cooler, legion looks hotter, but yea I use one ship
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stoicfaux
#9 - 2012-01-18 00:23:42 UTC
But is high-sec exploration actually worth the time and effort? IME, the sites and rewards were weak and minimal.

The Pith B is overkill. Gist would probably be better.

[Tengu, explore]
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II

Pithi B-Type Small Shield Booster
Photon Scattering Field II
Invulnerability Field II
Codebreaker II
Analyzer II
10MN Afterburner II

Expanded Probe Launcher I, Deep Space Scanner Probe I
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Heavy Missile
Salvager II


Tengu Defensive - Adaptive Shielding
Tengu Electronics - Emergent Locus Analyzer
Tengu Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir
Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay
Tengu Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst


Pon Farr Memorial: once every 7 years, all the carebears in high-sec must PvP or they will be temp-banned.
Kilrayn
Caldari Provisions
#10 - 2012-01-18 01:24:29 UTC
stoicfaux wrote:
But is high-sec exploration actually worth the time and effort? IME, the sites and rewards were weak and minimal.

The Pith B is overkill. Gist would probably be better.

[Tengu, explore]
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II

Pithi B-Type Small Shield Booster
Photon Scattering Field II
Invulnerability Field II
Codebreaker II
Analyzer II
10MN Afterburner II

Expanded Probe Launcher I, Deep Space Scanner Probe I
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Heavy Missile
Salvager II


Tengu Defensive - Adaptive Shielding
Tengu Electronics - Emergent Locus Analyzer
Tengu Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir
Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay
Tengu Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst




5 HMLs makes me want to punch kittens in the face. Why do you hate kittens? Cool

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Kahega Amielden
Rifterlings
#11 - 2012-01-18 01:51:38 UTC
...Are you people serious? A Tengu for hisec exploration sites? You know the biggest thing you need for a hisec combat site is a battlecruiser, right?


OP: while you CAN scan down most sites with an unbonused ship, it is going to be much slower. I always use a covert ops to scan out a bunch of systems, bookmark all the sites, then come back in a combat ship to run them all.
Kilrayn
Caldari Provisions
#12 - 2012-01-18 01:56:19 UTC
Kahega Amielden wrote:
...Are you people serious? A Tengu for hisec exploration sites? You know the biggest thing you need for a hisec combat site is a battlecruiser, right?


OP: while you CAN scan down most sites with an unbonused ship, it is going to be much slower. I always use a covert ops to scan out a bunch of systems, bookmark all the sites, then come back in a combat ship to run them all.

When my Tengu zips past your BC to the overseer and gets the loot before you do, you'll understand.

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drdxie
#13 - 2012-01-18 01:59:04 UTC
Kahega Amielden wrote:
...Are you people serious? A Tengu for hisec exploration sites? You know the biggest thing you need for a hisec combat site is a battlecruiser, right?


OP: while you CAN scan down most sites with an unbonused ship, it is going to be much slower. I always use a covert ops to scan out a bunch of systems, bookmark all the sites, then come back in a combat ship to run them all.


All your sites will be gone when you get back, and some of them won't let in anything bigger than cruiser hull.. so good luck to you.

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Hoskoal Ricks
#14 - 2012-01-18 02:07:04 UTC
drdxie wrote:
Kahega Amielden wrote:
...Are you people serious? A Tengu for hisec exploration sites? You know the biggest thing you need for a hisec combat site is a battlecruiser, right?


OP: while you CAN scan down most sites with an unbonused ship, it is going to be much slower. I always use a covert ops to scan out a bunch of systems, bookmark all the sites, then come back in a combat ship to run them all.


All your sites will be gone when you get back, and some of them won't let in anything bigger than cruiser hull.. so good luck to you.


This happens to me periodically in lowsec. I just can't be asked to exploration fit a t3 to make it stop. In highsec; however, there's absolutely no reason not to. If I could enter empire with my main I probably would too.
Kahega Amielden
Rifterlings
#15 - 2012-01-18 02:08:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Kahega Amielden
...But you don't need to tank a ship like that to run them. With a hypertanked Tengu you could run lowsec combat plexes just as easily and make twice as much ISK.


Quote:
All your sites will be gone when you get back, and some of them won't let in anything bigger than cruiser hull.. so good luck to you.


If you're doing exploration sites in hisec it's implied that you're doing them in a rather dead region. At least, if you want to do it remotely efficiently.
Hoskoal Ricks
#16 - 2012-01-18 02:13:55 UTC
Kahega Amielden wrote:
If you're doing exploration sites in hisec it's implied that you're doing them in a rather dead region. At least, if you want to do it remotely efficiently.


I work in a rather dull region of lowsec myself and still see fairly consistent exploration traffic if i'm slow to hit sites. I wouldn't think empire would have any less traffic, more likely it's swarmed 23/7 with risk-averse tengu pilots simply because they can.
Kilrayn
Caldari Provisions
#17 - 2012-01-18 02:16:49 UTC
Kahega Amielden wrote:
...But you don't need to tank a ship like that to run them. With a hypertanked Tengu you could run lowsec combat plexes just as easily and make twice as much ISK.


Quote:
All your sites will be gone when you get back, and some of them won't let in anything bigger than cruiser hull.. so good luck to you.


If you're doing exploration sites in hisec it's implied that you're doing them in a rather dead region. At least, if you want to do it remotely efficiently.

No, spending as much as I have on a fit is not needed. There is no debate about that. However, high sec exploration is all about one thing, speed. Now instead of my 4/10s getting stolen by a tengu while it used to take me 30 min to clear one, I can clear them in about 7-8 min and often steal sites from people in drakes, myrms, etc.

It's all about speed.

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Kahega Amielden
Rifterlings
#18 - 2012-01-18 02:24:12 UTC
But you don't need hypertank to run things fast, you need DPS. Tengu specializes in the former.
5nipe
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#19 - 2012-01-18 02:41:20 UTC  |  Edited by: 5nipe
Kilrayn wrote:


It's all about speed.


Absolutely for hi sec

I don't explore in hi sec much lately, but since Guristas 3/10 been introduced I fly dual prop Tengu with Domination Overdrive Injector in low slot.

I don't care if my DPS drops a bit and I complete the first pocket of GSO in 5 minutes, not in 4, but I care about my 2000m/c overheated MWD Tengu gets to loot first or I will bump out fast moving AB Loki.
stoicfaux
#20 - 2012-01-18 03:36:38 UTC
Kilrayn wrote:

5 HMLs makes me want to punch kittens in the face. Why do you hate kittens? Cool


The OP asked about a do-everything Tengu. If you want to do everything you need the salvager. Otherwise drop the salvager and run amok with a full 6 launchers.

Pon Farr Memorial: once every 7 years, all the carebears in high-sec must PvP or they will be temp-banned.
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