EVE General Discussion

Your entire post is full of bullcrap, but this line is not even on the chart of fail. The Falcon activates its smartbombs (there are at least 2) and all the drones go pop.

Or you're one of those Falcon tards who

Very scientific. You are the alleged journalist in this crowd? Complete the research. Don't just leave it at anecdotal comparisons.

The main difference here is not how much it takes to pilot the ships but how much training it takes to Tech II the weapons systems.

Cruiser level Missiles (which are decidedly not OP compared to projectiles) take a bit less to Tech II due to no requirement to learn the frigate/destroyer level at Tech II first. That's a difference in the weapons system. A general game design attribute applied to the weapons platform.

Would you seriously propose that missiles need nerfing?

Um, no.

All field command are based on tech 1 battlecruisers.

Prophecy, Damnation and Absolution all get armor resist bonus.

Nighthawk, Drake, Ferox, and Vulture all get shield resist bonuses.

Myrmidon, Brutix, Eos, and Astarte all get armor boost amount bonuses.

Claymore, Sleipnir, and Cyclone all get shield boost amount bonuses.

The vast majority of battlecruisers for a nation, both tech 1 and tech 2, share the same defensive bonus.

Ships that don't even have a defensive bonus, but instead double up on the offensive bonuses, are the only exceptions.

I had this nice long-winded counter to your troll post. But then I recalled that trolls have a very short attention span. So let me counter with this:

Show us on the troll doll where the bad Falcon touched you.

Okay good answer.

Scorpions are a great candari battleship. (Blackbirds are nice cruisers too). Nothing like jamming. Very nice and can accomplish quite a lot especially in small engagements. Oh and ECM also gets you on killmails. Just don't jam the target that's going to die in 2seconds, that's not nice.

That said, I don't think the other Caldari battleships are usually used in pvp. A T2 fitted drake is pretty good (definitely for its cost) but other racial ships just have major advantages.

I don't know about Gallente, I hear Amarr/Minmatar are also preferred over them (they are drone/hybrid?) . Higher damage is especially useful in larger fleet engagements, for obvious reasons. But everyone loves logis, and Caldari has nice shield logis.

"The CSM and CCP both acknowledged the need to rebalance Drake, which ‘does everything too too well’."
Certanly sounds like they think its overpowered and needs a nerf, and I don't care what you say, taking 25% from every resistance type is a HUGH nerf to the Drakes tank.

I agree but it hould be donethrough shield recharge bonus and not the "Change it to a useless pve boat like Raven"

Sounds like they think it's too versatile, ruining the variety of ships, and that it needs to be focused for one task to give those other ships something that they can be good at, relatively speaking.

A loss of 25% resists is a rather minor prices to pay for the significant buff in damage output and projection. All in all, a buff that makes the ship better and keeps it from stepping on other ships' toes.

ad to come back, actually a good thread for the most part.

Still have to disagree about needing to nerf the Drake- it's far less 'uber' than the haters seem to think. Given that CCP is on the high alpha, long range bandwagon- the gap between missile ships and gun ships is just that much wider.
Haters seem to want the Drake to have missile weapons (considered weak in PvP) AND then have their tanks nerfed to boot???

Missiles themselves are the 'nerf' for the Drake's seeming OP tank. You had this giant tank, but were taking damage long before dealing it-- you are always playing catch up in DPS with a missile ship. The trend for high alpha strikes is already a 'nerf' to all missile ships as it is.

It took that tank to make a long range missile ship viable at all. All else being equal- the guy that lands DPS first usually wins.

All I see CCP accomplishing with this is widening the gap between guns and missiles for PvP. Further reinforcing the notion that missiles are PvE and guns PvP.

This also stands in stark contrast with the 'nerf Caldari as a whole' crowd- the missile specific race will be relegated to nothing but the 'official PvE' race.

People whining that they can't alpha down a Drake before it's first volley of heavies hits--- not a convincing argument.

Read these forums, look at recruitment ads for corps-- many specifically say they don't want missile tossing PvP pilots. Why? Because missiles are considered the least usable PvP weapon, behind blasters even before their buff. Any use of missiles for PvP is already a gimp in the eyes of most players.
It's a classic risk/reward that CCP doesn't seem to realize. Yes, big ole tank. But also yes, delayed DPS and the longer the range gets, the more of a gimp it becomes....

In the end it'll just make some other ship the new 'best in class' and everyone will run that...until the haters whine and CCP caves in and nerfs that too.

Nerfing is a backwards arms race. Instead of improving the competition as happens in the real world, CCP has decided to run in reverse and keep making ships worse to achieve parity. A bad move IMO