EVE General Discussion

Great nerf the Drake and everybody can just fly Matari ships, what do we need 4 races for anyway.

These are the posts from CCP along with the recent CSM minutes that gives a good feeling about the future of the game. Good job.

What are we talking about? Does your virtual cane have neuts or hams? If it has HAMs then that might be 100 dps more but you dont have to worry about your inv. fields going off so you have more than twice the EHP.

If it has neuts then you just kill it before you run out of cap / tank. A nanocane even with neuts/ hams will run out of tank way before an usual pvp drake / heavy missile drake. If it gets close to you it dies... if it stays away to be safe it cant kill you. Also comparing long range with shortrange weapons is a bit stupid: Lets compare artillery with HAMs... unfair... HAMS do way moar dps

And btw. all my fits have point / mwd... maybe you noticed i were talking about a nanocane.



Exactly

It takes 2 months to spec out a "decent" ship to participate in the endgamecontent on high level and to have a safe isk printing machine in empire that is easily replaceable where you never have to worry about tank / tracking / range / cap / ecm(FOF lol) / your position on the field - no downsides, everything in one single ship.

But try that with "any" another battlecruiser / battleship / hac and you will be surprised.

Hate to burst your bubble bud, but the ships that you think are overpowered are just opinions as well.

So wait…

…they are suggesting a significant increase in the Drake's damage output and projection, at the cost of a tanking bonus that it doesn't particularly need, and people are railing against it being nerfed?!

IDGI.

Oh, and Endeavour Starfleet, the Drake is ridiculously easy to train for. Shield skills are cheap (and the meta shield mods are excellent until you get your skills up), as are medium missiles. That's why everyone + dog gravitates towards them, you know… Compare it to a properly fit L4 Myrm (which, people's claim to the contrary, do indeed work just as well as the Drake for L4s), where the T2 senties/heavies (preferably both) alone takes almost as much time as an entire Drake fit.

Yep nerf the tengu because it's does a better job than the drake, ok well it takes longer to train for than a drake and costs around 8 x as much Usually alot more with half decent fittings). The tengu is great in certain areas of EVE, syndicate,fountain basically anywhere where there is guristas or serpentis. Take it to delve and you'll find it's ok but not exactly great.

As far as I'm concerned the problem with the tengu/loki/legion/proteus are they are too easy to skill for, In this I mean in a speed sense, the subsystem skills should have been at least x2/x3 multipliers.

The problem is not with the tengu but with the caldari's use of missle systems, projected dps over a large area. I'm sure the way the EVE world should work in a roleplay way is that the gallente/min/amarr should go

"Hey, that new caldari ship is kicking arse"
"Shall we just invest in building better ships to counter this?"

"No chance , just send a letter to that chap at the Caldari consulate asking him to make his ships worse so ours fare better"

I know I'm the only one but isn't the whole nerf thing the wrong way round?, If a ship if thought of as too good why not see why it's so good and then make the ships that are supposed to be comparable actually comparable

It comes across as taking the path of least resistance, you have one great ship and 3 crap ones, let's make them all crap instead of making the other just as good.

The problem with nerf's is that when you lower a level invariably something else which wasn't as good before then becomes too good.


No matter what CCP do they will always be a "flavour of the month/year" with playing it's a neverending cycle. Let's all just fly around in the same ships because god forbid something in the world should actually work better than it was designed to.

Supercaps.

Back in the day, the peak (fleet) predator was the battleship, back up by carriers and other forms of logistics. To go up against these fleets without using battleships yourself, you needed something small, fast, and preferably long-ranged that could do hit-and-runs. What you didn't need was something with the perfect signature, slow speed, and delayed damage that required you to stay on-grid at upper-medium range — you know, the optimal target for a large turret. Both the battleships and the (largely) T2 kiting fleets that were the alternative were relatively high-skill ships. The Drake was not just a bloat:y easy target, but a low-skilled one as well, so flying one was just newbish in every way.

But then came the age of supercaps, which ate battleships like popcorn. Suddenly, the peak predator was, if not gone, then hamstrung and under threat, and what was needed instead was something that could engage medium targets (fighters/bombers) while putting up a significant tank and still having at least some ability to stay mobile in the fight. Enter the Drake, which did all of that, and which was very cheap to build and train for and which also, as luck would have it, matched the swing towards shield-logistics fleet that worked slightly better in a high-lag environment (if nothing else, if the repper cycled at all, the shield boost came immediately rather than at some indeterminable end of the cycle).

…that's my hypothesis, at least.

I about fell out of my chair when I read the drake nerf comments. They actually said they want to make the drake like the caracal and the raven? Boogle. Take the only decent missle PVP ship in the game and make like the other crappy ships in the caldari line up.

I understand that ships scale poorly from frig to BC. However, a much better fix would be to buff the the other ships and not nerf the BCs.

The reason people are complaining about this "nerf" is because ccp wants to make the drake "in line" with the caracal and the raven. Making a ship "in line" with some of the worst pvp ships in their respective classes does not make for a buff, as some have suggested....

They're homogenizing the caldari lineup. Why fly a cerb, or a caracal, if drake does the same thing? Drake would cost less than a cerb, and perform better (more tank, just as much range, same dps, plus drone bay). Drake would cost a little more than a caracal (after they are both t2 fitted, rigged) and have a huge increase in performance.

If CCP decides to fix the merlin, ferox, moa, eagle, cerb, raven (more power grid for raven, torp/cruise explosion velocity fixes), fix the phoenix's explosion velocities, then I'll be ok with a nerf to the drake. Bare minimum cerb/caracal should get buffed.


Oh and ECM doesn't need a nerf. In large fleets it takes coordination to not stack your jams up all on the same targets to be effective (otherwise you're wasting jam power). If ECM is really an issue, then buffing ECCM slightly would be a better alternative.