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A mining roll-back in the works?

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White Tree
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#21 - 2012-01-17 21:03:38 UTC
Mnengli Noiliffe wrote:
yep, there is not enough isk faucets in this game, let's add some more.

LOOK AT HOW PAINFULLY WRONG YOU ARE ABOUT EVE ECONOMICS. LOOK AT YOU. LOOK AT YOU.

Former member of CSM6.
Vendorella
Montreal Irishmen
#22 - 2012-01-17 21:06:39 UTC
Asuka Solo wrote:

Also remove mineral hauler spawns! Introduce NPC hauling contracts to move player items that can be lewted by pvp.

Move all hi-end 0.0 minerals to low sec only.

Keep low end hisec ores as they are.



Hauler spawns fill a void in the low-end mineral market in 0.0... but they are a HUGE injection and manipulation of the market. At least remove the biggest ones... hauler spawns that drop 100mil Trit are just nutty.

I like the idea of bringing 0.0 ores to lowsec... but in small quantities. A belt should have very little Crokite, Bistot or Arkonor in it if its in lowsec.... just the occasional, low volume rock.

NPC hauling contracts would be a good ISK sink, but I think it might **** off people who haul contracts for a living. Then again, if the price per jump were high enough (and the delivery date were long enough), independent contractors would still have their place.

Better yet, create a central hauling database, where people post hauling contracts. NPCs will haul, say 2 contracts per station per hour..... and it will take 2 hours per jump for delivery. Players can also bid and offer prices for their services.... charging less to get more contracts, or charging more while guaranteeing faster delivery.

Of course.... NPC haulers would have to be gankable..... TwistedYarrrrrrrTwisted
Vendorella
Montreal Irishmen
#23 - 2012-01-17 21:07:21 UTC
White Tree wrote:
Mnengli Noiliffe wrote:
yep, there is not enough isk faucets in this game, let's add some more.

LOOK AT HOW PAINFULLY WRONG YOU ARE ABOUT EVE ECONOMICS. LOOK AT YOU. LOOK AT YOU.


You're like Sheldon when it comes to sarcasm, aren't you?
White Tree
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#24 - 2012-01-17 21:09:21 UTC
Vendorella wrote:
White Tree wrote:
Mnengli Noiliffe wrote:
yep, there is not enough isk faucets in this game, let's add some more.

LOOK AT HOW PAINFULLY WRONG YOU ARE ABOUT EVE ECONOMICS. LOOK AT YOU. LOOK AT YOU.


You're like Sheldon when it comes to sarcasm, aren't you?

he he he the big bang theory is so whacky and random and i can relate to it because lol NERD CULTURE xd

Former member of CSM6.
Barakkus
#25 - 2012-01-17 21:16:11 UTC
Make it half mineral half moon goo on the drops.

http://youtu.be/yytbDZrw1jc
Cass Lie
State War Academy
Caldari State
#26 - 2012-01-17 21:33:53 UTC
Just to make a tangent point, the drone alloys impact wasn't that noticeable during the old insurance system, where the lowest mineral price was artificially fixated on the insurance payouts. Only after the rework the prices plummeted to their true levels and mining of any kind became irrelevant as an isk making activity. Removing the drone goo is probably a step in the right direction, though it would homogenize a vast area of space that was previously quite unique.

Although the residents will most probably be the last to object.
Vendorella
Montreal Irishmen
#27 - 2012-01-17 21:36:32 UTC
Cass Lie wrote:

Although the residents will most probably be the last to object.


Exactly the point.... if everyone else thinks its a good idea, and the residents agree... its probably a good idea!
Killstealing
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#28 - 2012-01-17 22:46:24 UTC
it's kinda dumb how most minerals at this point come from drones and not you know, rocks

THAT SAID, mining is boring as all hell but for 120m/h? hokay
BigCountry
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
#29 - 2012-01-17 22:57:32 UTC
Sheep , you are all a bunch of sheep... Its easily noticed that I live in the Drone Regions , and honestly could care less about them changing alloys in for bounties.. But to all the IDIOTS who think that the drone poop that is dropped right now is killin the high end market , well all i got to say is , well your idiots...

Theres almost no high end mins in the alloys now , that was changed over a year ago..no, actually the one thing that has SINGLE-HANDEDLY kill the high end market is .................................... MINING...

Mining in the hidden belts in 0.0 as killed that market not ,alloys.. example me with 3 carriers and a rorqual can do anamolies for a week and after refining the alloys i can get about 100k zydrine and about 45k mega....

One week of mining the hidden belts with 4 hulks --- 325k mega, 900k zydrine.. thats just sitting and hitting ark and bistot every day...

So if you want to continue blaming the drone regions well, your an idiot
Ziranda Hakuli
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#30 - 2012-01-18 00:03:18 UTC
I see the topic is back once again

Maybe just maybe in keeping everyone happy will never happen. the guys in the south complain about the guys in the north back an forth and empire folks tossed in there.

Drone Pooh. Everyone complains about it that it has destabalized the market. well in some ways NO it has not. Knowing that many of those in drone region build equipment and other things out there with what they get. By removing the Drone pooh and putting an isk bounty on them they still need to drop something. One person mention parts to build Drones why not something abit more fancy like special implants from hive sites that improve your drone/fighter/bomber abilities. but someoen would complain like them caldari people.

Now for Moon Goo. a rebalance is badly needed where.

As for mining in 0.0 will always be a happening thing so you PVP tard pilots can have them ships to blow up.

Eve is not just about PVP it encompasses many things from industry to mission runner types to PVP with out one you do not have the other and a fail cascade affect starts to form.
Minta Contha
Emergent Entity
#31 - 2012-01-18 00:11:53 UTC
Jack Tronic wrote:
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and I could easily see big alliances bringing in mining divisions (with a nice tax, naturally) to help fund their operations


No alliance is going to bring in a mining division full of carebears who whine all day and then continue to mine in a system with 40 reds in local. Because from experience, THATS ALL MINERS DO. Bots at least know to shut up and dock up.


Yes, every single miner in the game behaves exactly like that, you are absolutely 100% right.
Just like ALL non-miners live on the forum making pointless rude comments. Roll

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Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#32 - 2012-01-18 00:31:05 UTC
Skinny bounties on drones, no mineral drops....

But a good "draw" of the drone regions would be for new drone blueprints, rigs, etc.

Creative stuff....

Bring back DEEEEP Space!
Skydell
Bad Girl Posse
#33 - 2012-01-18 00:36:23 UTC
Ziranda Hakuli wrote:
I see the topic is back once again

Maybe just maybe in keeping everyone happy will never happen. the guys in the south complain about the guys in the north back an forth and empire folks tossed in there.

Drone Pooh. Everyone complains about it that it has destabalized the market. well in some ways NO it has not. Knowing that many of those in drone region build equipment and other things out there with what they get. By removing the Drone pooh and putting an isk bounty on them they still need to drop something. One person mention parts to build Drones why not something abit more fancy like special implants from hive sites that improve your drone/fighter/bomber abilities. but someoen would complain like them caldari people.

Now for Moon Goo. a rebalance is badly needed where.

As for mining in 0.0 will always be a happening thing so you PVP tard pilots can have them ships to blow up.

Eve is not just about PVP it encompasses many things from industry to mission runner types to PVP with out one you do not have the other and a fail cascade affect starts to form.


Unless something changed, -A- Cit is in the south and if the drone region gets it wealth shifted out of droon poo, the South becomes the secondary resource for Zydrine and Megacyte. Large smart Bomb and NOS drops were where I got most of my high end minerals.

I don't know if 4000 ISK zydrine is a good thing but 700 ISK zydrine with 30 million units at that rate means gross over supply. You only need 2.8 mill to build a Titan. They need to get rid of some of it. Either by productions or reductions.
Cyprus Black
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#34 - 2012-01-18 00:49:57 UTC
Drone regions are NOT the sole reason for the mineral price collapse. There are several other factors to consider as well.

-Wormhole mining and ease of mineral transportation to high sec.
-Mining bots. Bots bots bots everywhere and the apparent lack of CCP action taken against them.
-Mining bots and the isk selling businesses who've cut deals with major alliances (don't pretend like it isn't happening).
-Mission runners and their reprocessed drops.
-23/7 mission running bots.


Seems to me the major issue here isn't the drone region mineral drops. The real problem seems to be the unchecked bots running rampant in EvE Online. CCPs efforts to quell the bot insurgence is sadly lacking (or at least that's our perspective). We need better anti bot measures than simply relying on player reports and GM observances.

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Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
#35 - 2012-01-18 00:54:39 UTC
Folks, everyone is missing the point.
The Goons dominate the CSM. They ARE the CSM.
Anything that benefits Goons is pushed hard.
Everything else Goons presents as bad to CCP.

If Goons want to wage a metagame war against the holders of the drone regions, they will investigate the best way to do it and push to have that game mechanic changed.

Goons are evil, but not stupid.
Skydell
Bad Girl Posse
#36 - 2012-01-18 01:14:17 UTC
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
Folks, everyone is missing the point.
The Goons dominate the CSM. They ARE the CSM.
Anything that benefits Goons is pushed hard.
Everything else Goons presents as bad to CCP.

If Goons want to wage a metagame war against the holders of the drone regions, they will investigate the best way to do it and push to have that game mechanic changed.

Goons are evil, but not stupid.


Funny thing was, when the CSM was introduced we had 400 threads in GD about how they had no power or influence. Now they have a leash around CCPs throat and are a Goon gun to thier head.

If people hate goons that's fine, I don't think they care but to suggest that CCP just hand thier Goose over to a bunch of people who happen to play thier game a little more avid than the rest of us?
I live in Iceland, make what I am sure is a damn good wage by Icelandic standard. Hell, wtf lets just throw it all out there for a bunch of guys named "goons".

No?

Back on topic. Mineral prices dictate wealth in Drone regions and Mineral prices are based on how much ISK the rest of us are willing to pony up. I don't think people in the Drone regions will object to having a better control on thier wealth potential. It's the same for moon goo. You want to pay 100K for Technecium? Feel free, I won't. But the ships, the ships. Meta 4, Navy Geddon/ Raven. Works fine for me. Stick thier moon/ drone goo up thier ass.
Minta Contha
Emergent Entity
#37 - 2012-01-18 01:34:41 UTC
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
Folks, everyone is missing the point.
The Goons dominate the CSM. They ARE the CSM.
Anything that benefits Goons is pushed hard.
Everything else Goons presents as bad to CCP.

If Goons want to wage a metagame war against the holders of the drone regions, they will investigate the best way to do it and push to have that game mechanic changed.

Goons are evil, but not stupid.



The CSM is not all Goons. Don't get me wrong, I have no time for the Goons, but their "dominance" is more psychological than actual. Their presence in the forum is much greater than their presence in the game itself, but they are no doubt overjoyed at how people post stuff like "they control CCP" etc. If people believe it, then it benefits the Goons.
Switch your star map to show sovereignty and you'll see that the Goons don't really control that much of nullsec. Sure, they are one of the major players, but there's much more space they can't put their noses in without getting smacked down.
The CSM has many non-Goon members on it, and it always will, because if the Goons field many candidates in the hope of gaining a CSM power-bloc, it splits the vote from their members. Better to put up less candidates to ensure a more coordinated vote, thus increasing election probability. CCP is aware of issues like these and discusses them openly in the latest summit minutes.
Every time you ***** about the Goons having too much power you are giving it to them. They are legends in their own living room, nothing more.

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Vendorella
Montreal Irishmen
#38 - 2012-01-18 03:32:20 UTC
This thread became WAY more political than intended.

As a rebuttal to something said a couple of posts above:

Hidden belts existed before the drone regions appeared, and people were mining in them like crazy, believe me. I have bookmarks to a bunch of off-grid belts in Delve, which I am sure are still there, nice and loaded.

Within a few short months of the drone regions appearing, the high-end market had tanked. That was before the rorqual came into the game. While other things may have happened following the launch of the drone regions that exacerbated the problem, the fact remains that the high-end market was torpedoed by drone alloys.

I'm not against ensuring that the drone regions have a good quantity of Arkonor, Bistot and/or Crokite once the drone poop is removed... but drone poop should be removed. It screwed with the market when appeared, and will help the market when it leaves.

ASadOldGit
Doomheim
#39 - 2012-01-18 05:18:21 UTC
Sorry to use logic, but what the hell are these little machines, that are hell-bent on dominating the galaxy, doing carrying polished crystals in their bellies? Are they like birds, attracted to shiny things? Are they rogue mining drones that have evolved, and, after eons of exploration, are finally fulfilling their instructions to "Gather all minerals; return home to Chribba"?

I understand Concord would place bounties on them in empire space, but out in null-sec? Why would they care?

Makes more sense to have them drop salvageable components, to create rigs with, or as someone above suggested, more drones with.

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Doomheim
#40 - 2012-01-18 05:27:56 UTC
LOL =)
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