EVE General Discussion

nominated for quote of the week

If there is a viable rail ferox the universe will collapse in on itself in protest.

CCP confirmed as Tzeentch. Embrace Chaos.

The existence of this choice is specious. Eve is so complex that the "uber-balanced utopia" is not achievable in practice, and attempting to achieve it simply results in the aforementioned "fluid tactical environment".

For god's sake, this isn't Team Fortress 2. Change is good.

Cough

Arms Race

You forget empires are at war with each other and they are constantly looking to ways to one up against thier adversaries.

New Technologies will emerge becuase of the arms race. Its is time to shake things up. Ill leave it to the community and ccp to balance things I rather have FOTMs if they are only FOTMS for that month and ccp fixes it quickly.

And this happens in real life if you want to go argue that route. The best example the most powerful ship at sea before ww2? the battleship
post ww2 the carrier.
Even more interestingly before ww2 started the carrier concept was LAUGHED AT and almost dismissed entirely.

And yes I am posting there with reckless abandon its lightning round in the brainstorming idea table, ccp should know what is better what sounds bad and sounds good or what ideas they can pick apart and peice back together in thier vision as good I expect none of my suggestions to even be remotely close to what I imagine them to be but its not stopping me from posting or inspiring something from happening. I wouldnt mind seeing a whole slew of ejectable modules that add performance for a short duration or new functionality. Just like extended fuel tanks on fighter jets today, tanks extend the range of the bird and if in a dire situation they will eject the tanks to gain more agility.

I will say this though.

Adapt or Die Trying

This isn't WoW; there is no respec. Nerfing and Buffing sucks too, when it's done for the wrong reasons; but this also isn't nerfing and buffing.

What will change with patches that have new modules and ships in them, (expect next Winter I imagine), is that people will have to rethink how they approach systems that change because of new introductions along this line. That process is called adaption, and it is a healthy process.

CCP can balance the game with regards to ships, modules, and the mechanics of those devices; but you all have to keep your traps shut and let them run numbers on it. Numbers being partially figurative.

If CCP made a server strictly for testing ships, and gave everybody a Test Server alt with SP intended for specific testing; then took samples of all the data that resulted from it, we'd probably see some results. Just one node, constellation, and server; cap of 200 players.

No mirrors. Just a generic test character when you log in; same as everybody else. Ships in the hangar; prefit and ready to fly. You've got 10 minutes to get a feel for it, and take it out for a spin; then everybody gets rallied for fleets, gangs, solo flying, or whatever. Server is unreachable outside of monitored testing.

Base requirement: You have 15 Million SP on one character/toon on your account you log in with; generic toon takes up a slot, and it disregards your actual toons. Need more than one type of generic toon; then you still have 2 slots to fill.

Poor title choice my friend extremly poor title choice.
Also I leave it to the community to summarize wall of text OPs they're brutally efficent at it and regardless its what the conversation did evolve into.

I'm fairly certain it's not new stuff for the sake of new stuff, as you seem to imply. You're a little ambiguous though; in that you do not focus an argument directly, but rather make reference to another game and some multi-expansion release schedule you have to pay for every time.

I don't see the relation.

EVE needs new stuff. Everything in this game is tired and old. The economy is dreadfully predictable, despite it being ludicrously competative. Ship fitting has been the same since I started playing, with exception to FOTM ships like Nanocanes which were really just a briefly discovered and celebrated hole in the fitting process.

People try new things because they are bored, find something like that, (or usually stumble across it because a newb fit it against all protocols and procedures), and just like that it gets spammed all over EVE until someone decides to nerf it.

Nerfbat in; clever ship out.

The imbalance in this game is as often player caused, as just being a limited way of exploiting fitting mechanics that creates a opportunity for a particularly special fit. I'm fairly certain the Devs were-at the very least-close to balanced before the players started complaining about overpowered ships.

Unfortunately, players tend to blow things way out of proportion and exagerate everything; and sometimes the nerf isn't even remotely justified. Fortunately, it hasn't often ended in complete destruction.

So, new things are good. They force players to adapt to new situations and a changing environment; new opportunities arise, and the balance of power shifts ever so slightly. Sometimes it's more drastic, but let's face it; no little grouping of modules hitting the market is going to result in that much change. *snicker*

Okay, it's a possibility, but not overly likely.

Just saying all of the new battlecruisers are empire comissioned.