Player Features and Ideas Discussion

FLAME ON!
you don't know crap about PVP
flame off

the nightmare has the same tank as any shield tanked boat and the same DPS capability of an abbadon without the tanking capability at a much higher cost, it has the same benefit of having a tracking script tracking computer. The only true thing the nightmare can do over other ships is it has good fitting (with skills) and use tachs. any ship can dictate range by sitting cloaked in a safe spot but its much harder to hold something down and kill it or avoid death yourself. faction battleships have a tendancy to scream "KILL ME! I DROP SHINEYS!" however, the vindi, blag, and the mach are the only 3 capable of being used in PVP without turning into an expensive loss mail 90% of the time.

also bump!

some recons can hit 50+ km with webs and scrams using faction equipment and gang links, not that its needed because you can probe a battleship in under a minute and gang warp everyone to 0

EDIT: EFT is for fitting purposes and for getting an idea of what your ship is capable of under ideal circumstances. non-ideal circumstances include getting attacked by fleets of rifters, canes, or tornadoes. it can also tell you how many falcons it takes to jam you (Hint: its never more than 1), or how many alphas from tornadoes its going to take.

Edit2: a nm with 1400+ dps is not an IWIN button, it is still a flying loss mail. and it doesnt matter if you take out 2 or 3 maelstroms before you die because you will still be in the red with efficiency.

While your range argument is true, recall the Vindicator also has a full flight of heavy drones, more base EHP, is almost 50% faster, more agile, more tracking with Void than the Nightmare has with Multifrequency (!) and with something like a couple True Sansha Stasis Webifiers, it can stop any ship at up to 20 km dead in its tracks. The Nightmare might have the advantage in range (as laser ships always do), but the fact still stands that it is extremely vulnerable to anything at short range because of its lack of lots of drones, poor laser tracking (somewhat mitigated by the bonus), and inability to devote too many mid slots to tackle because of the need for tank.

The best role I can see it playing is an anti-skirmish ship: something you bring on the field when there's a Machariel dicking around and you want to just shoot it out of the sky. It can also serve as heavy firepower support, or 5 AHACs packed into one ship.

The Nightmare, like all pirate faction battleships, remains a giant target and an eventual very expensive lossmail. Since it's not even that tanky, and its range and damage are the only things it has going for it, that damage had better be really friggin good.

I am in favor of giving the nightmare either more dps and capless lasers, or similar to destroyer tracking bonus, or both!
It would be justified because of all the other things it lacks in

fu forum for trying to eat my post

This is what I was told once or twice: that Nightmare really shines in PvE. So maybe the "problem" is it's just better suited for PvE than for PvP, not the PvP performance alone?

bump!

I agree... The Phantasm should have a bit more PG and maybe a small cap upgrade. On the subject of pirate ships the ashimus drone bay is worthless at least give it 3 light drones. I think the phant and ashimu should both have 5 light drones, they are 100mil isk + per a ship.

This would totally break the PVE nightmare. It already tears through L4 missions with ease.

never gonna give you up!

Plenty of other ships do too, but they have combat uses outside L4 missions as well. I could concede a little on my proposed changes to the Nightmare, as those are lasers and have great range, but the Nightmare does badly need a buff -- L4 missions or not.