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RUN FOR YOUR LIFE - THEY ARE KILLING US ALL (GOONS ARE AWESOME WIN)
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FloppieTheBanjoClown
Arcana Imperii Ltd.
#21 - 2012-01-17 21:59:26 UTC  |  Edited by: FloppieTheBanjoClown
Endeavour Starfleet wrote:
brick squad's interdiction will serve nothing more than to galvanize support for his removal from the CSM.


I assure you, none of the people raging over this would ever have voted for Darius. It's stunts like this that got him votes in the first place. Also, he has a sexy voice.

Founding member of the Belligerent Undesirables movement.
gunnery
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#22 - 2012-01-18 01:10:02 UTC
YOU ALL ARE SHAT!!! btw vote for darius III on the oncoming csm selection..
the following message are sponsor by me,, and yes.. you alll are still ****!!!
Lyrrashae
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
#23 - 2012-01-19 00:31:16 UTC
Endeavour Starfleet wrote:
Goons are not directly involved "yet" from what I understand.

As for that mail it ought to be mentioned that now is the time to start training unknown alts into jammers. Remove logi support in a mom site and brick squad's interdiction will serve nothing more than to galvanize support for his removal from the CSM.



Darius for CSM 7 chair!

Ni.
Umega
Solis Mensa
#24 - 2012-01-19 01:43:43 UTC
Dzajic wrote:
It would be best if you won on all your demands and wishes and dreams.... 80% of EVE would quit, CCP bankrupted and EVE sold to someone who knows that caring and respecting 5% of its customers is a recipe for suicide.


Stop talking.

Because Incarna and Incursion were such wildly successful expansions..

Where as Crucible and Apocrypha were not.

Yes.. the majority of the player base will leave because of something that is barely even a year old. And the expansion with the best risk/reward ratio that combined both pvp n pve into one with w-space wasn't the most successful in being the biggest jumping platform for EVE to grow off, and did.

I mean its not like Empyrean Age didn't have intial strong reviews and postive effect for adding more pvp content.

W-space being made 0.0 sec. That obviously had a terrible impact on EVE.. why the sub base surely didn't grow n grow n grow.

And obviously 2011 with Incursion and Incarna, had the best rates in sub growth. Surely no decline to the playerbase.

You sir, are a scholar and a saint. Brilliant. Everyone 'like' this man, for he is more than a man.. he is a prophet.

 Ume-Pro Studios
Dzajic
#25 - 2012-01-19 02:02:16 UTC
I wasn't talking about Incursion alone. I was talking about "all your demands". No nearly unprobable ships. No highsec L4s. Individual wardecs... the long list of insane demands that read "we need more PVE ships to hunt for in lowsec".
Umega
Solis Mensa
#26 - 2012-01-19 02:19:59 UTC
Dzajic wrote:
I wasn't talking about Incursion alone. I was talking about "all your demands". No nearly unprobable ships. No highsec L4s. Individual wardecs... the long list of insane demands that read "we need more PVE ships to hunt for in lowsec".


Ooooohhhhhhhh..

No.

You mean 'the demands to justify risk/reward is on a correct upward slope from 1.0 to 0.0'. Spin it how you want..

But when you do that.. remind yourself. You ain't worth **** if ppl aren't getting blown up in EVE.

You can only cuddle so much isk before the memory fades to black. Repeatative, riskless endeavors will disappear and be forgotten. The only memories you will carry, and provoke emotion even when the encounters have passed.. or those 'epic' moments you spend in a game, especially an mmo. Especially with friends.

Do you feel it?

If you simply jump from brain dead contentment to rage when a bubble is burst.. no, you do not feel it. And you should probably re-evaluate your outlook, imo.

It is just a Game. A sandbox game with its foundation in pvp. Put up a chain-link fence around your sand castle, but don't be surprised when someone still manages to scale it and starts kicking.

 Ume-Pro Studios
Asuri Kinnes
Perkone
Caldari State
#27 - 2012-01-19 02:37:13 UTC
Umega wrote:
Ooooohhhhhhhh..

No.

You mean 'the demands to justify risk/reward is on a correct upward slope from 1.0 to 0.0'. Spin it how you want..

sooooo, the hundreds of people running incursions are pumping more isk into the system, than the thousands who run missions or anomalies every day? Incursions are the problem?

Lol

Bob is the god of Wormholes.

That's all you need to know.
Umega
Solis Mensa
#28 - 2012-01-19 03:12:19 UTC
Asuri Kinnes wrote:
Umega wrote:
Ooooohhhhhhhh..

No.

You mean 'the demands to justify risk/reward is on a correct upward slope from 1.0 to 0.0'. Spin it how you want..

sooooo, the hundreds of people running incursions are pumping more isk into the system, than the thousands who run missions or anomalies every day? Incursions are the problem?

Lol


That is a terrible excuse. 'I'm minority so I should be looked over and ignored'

Especially if that being the case, the effects such a 'minor' used application has on everything else when considering the ratio of its influence to how many use it. That in itself, should bring about a bigger microscope, imo.

You pretty much are stating that Incursions are the 'moon goo' of highsec. Only a few successfully take part of its riches, and the majority does not. Huh.. perhaps you should ponder that over a lil bit.

Unless you rather change your tune..

 Ume-Pro Studios
mirel yirrin
Ore Mongers
#29 - 2012-01-19 07:17:57 UTC
I wholly endorse this event and/or product. Also Darius' voice is so sexy sometimes I have little accidents on comms during fleet ops OopsOops

Darius III for CSM! Or your money back!
Asuri Kinnes
Perkone
Caldari State
#30 - 2012-01-19 14:45:05 UTC
Umega wrote:
That is a terrible excuse. 'I'm minority so I should be looked over and ignored'

Especially if that being the case, the effects such a 'minor' used application has on everything else when considering the ratio of its influence to how many use it. That in itself, should bring about a bigger microscope, imo.

You pretty much are stating that Incursions are the 'moon goo' of highsec. Only a few successfully take part of its riches, and the majority does not. Huh.. perhaps you should ponder that over a lil bit.

Unless you rather change your tune..


  1. I don't run incursions - never have, and feel very little incentive to do so

  2. I *live* full time in Wormholes, thankyouverymuch.

  3. No, you dolt, Incursions are *nothing* like moon-goo, because anyone with an interest can take part in Incursions, moon-goo is limited

  4. No, I don't think I will change my tune, because I can't believe that Incursions (with a few hundred people taking part) is having that great an effect on the economy, compared to the thousands of people who run missions and anomalies every day.

  5. Reading Comprehension I, you needs it!

Bob is the god of Wormholes.

That's all you need to know.
Gary Bell
Therapy.
Brave Collective
#31 - 2012-01-19 16:42:34 UTC
Asuri Kinnes wrote:
Umega wrote:
That is a terrible excuse. 'I'm minority so I should be looked over and ignored'

Especially if that being the case, the effects such a 'minor' used application has on everything else when considering the ratio of its influence to how many use it. That in itself, should bring about a bigger microscope, imo.

You pretty much are stating that Incursions are the 'moon goo' of highsec. Only a few successfully take part of its riches, and the majority does not. Huh.. perhaps you should ponder that over a lil bit.

Unless you rather change your tune..


  1. I don't run incursions - never have, and feel very little incentive to do so

  2. I *live* full time in Wormholes, thankyouverymuch.

  3. No, you dolt, Incursions are *nothing* like moon-goo, because anyone with an interest can take part in Incursions, moon-goo is limited

  4. No, I don't think I will change my tune, because I can't believe that Incursions (with a few hundred people taking part) is having that great an effect on the economy, compared to the thousands of people who run missions and anomalies every day.

  5. Reading Comprehension I, you needs it!



You are whole heartedly ******** and brain dead if you think that they are not an issue and that only a "few hundred" people are running them. There are figures all over this forum that very plainly state the billions and billions of isk that each site pumps into the economy of eve. Some of you might think that this is a great thing, but basic rule of thumb more people can buy plexes with one account running incursions... ie prices go up, and the plex prices throw off the entire eve economy. Yes moo goo needs a look at but it takes great isk sinks to maintain a large alliances goo holdings and trillions of isk is sunk back into the wars that fight over it. Tell me where in highsec do you loose the 5 bil you make a day in incursions? Answer, you dont you simple buy more accounts and more plexes to pay for them to do incursions faster and faster, and the cycle will never end.

I will vote for Darius cuz i agree with what he is trying to do to save the game... Incursions should not pay more then lvl fours and there should be some type of risk and right now.... There simply is none
Asuri Kinnes
Perkone
Caldari State
#32 - 2012-01-19 20:42:58 UTC
Gary Bell wrote:
You are whole heartedly ******** and brain dead if you think that they are not an issue and that only a "few hundred" people are running them. There are figures all over this forum that very plainly state the billions and billions of isk that each site pumps into the economy of eve. Some of you might think that this is a great thing, but basic rule of thumb more people can buy plexes with one account running incursions... ie prices go up, and the plex prices throw off the entire eve economy. Yes moo goo needs a look at but it takes great isk sinks to maintain a large alliances goo holdings and trillions of isk is sunk back into the wars that fight over it. Tell me where in highsec do you loose the 5 bil you make a day in incursions? Answer, you dont you simple buy more accounts and more plexes to pay for them to do incursions faster and faster, and the cycle will never end.

I will vote for Darius cuz i agree with what he is trying to do to save the game... Incursions should not pay more then lvl fours and there should be some type of risk and right now.... There simply is none

Dude, take a breath!

CSM Meeting Minutes - page 7. Long story short the economy is doing fine.

Risk in Incursions is people messing with them. If people aren't messing with them, that is *not* the fault of the incursion runners.

5B isk/day? U mad bro! @,@

Highest rate of income I've heard is in the 90-120m isk/hr, no different than the highest, most skilled mission runners made. And, according to the CCP/CSM meeting minutes there are fewer and fewer people running missions, and more running incursions (so, basically it's a wash). Besides which, even granting a flat, 120m isk/hour rate, nobody could make 5 billion isk in a day, basic math.

So, what have we learned? The economy is fine, mission runners are moving to incursions, Incursions aren't paying out higher than lvl 4's (except possibly to the highest skilled players, who earned the same amount running missions because they *are* higher skilled) and the risk in incursions is the same as the risk in the rest of the game. Other players.

Bob is the god of Wormholes.

That's all you need to know.
Dimitryy
Silent Knights.
LinkNet
#33 - 2012-01-19 23:02:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Dimitryy
I love the idea of griffan highsec by killing incursion sites, but i dont get what this thread is about. This Hardin guy sounds like a pretty level headed dude giving some decent advice and updates to people he flies with.

Honestly nowhere in this mail did the guy complain about the **** we're doing, whine about ganking or go off on any crazy conspiracy theories, and that is more than i can say for the majority of the people in this thread. Whoever this Hardin guy is, i like him.

Dimi
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#34 - 2012-01-19 23:57:40 UTC
Asuri Kinnes wrote:
Gary Bell wrote:
You are whole heartedly ******** and brain dead if you think that they are not an issue and that only a "few hundred" people are running them. There are figures all over this forum that very plainly state the billions and billions of isk that each site pumps into the economy of eve. Some of you might think that this is a great thing, but basic rule of thumb more people can buy plexes with one account running incursions... ie prices go up, and the plex prices throw off the entire eve economy. Yes moo goo needs a look at but it takes great isk sinks to maintain a large alliances goo holdings and trillions of isk is sunk back into the wars that fight over it. Tell me where in highsec do you loose the 5 bil you make a day in incursions? Answer, you dont you simple buy more accounts and more plexes to pay for them to do incursions faster and faster, and the cycle will never end.

I will vote for Darius cuz i agree with what he is trying to do to save the game... Incursions should not pay more then lvl fours and there should be some type of risk and right now.... There simply is none

Dude, take a breath!

CSM Meeting Minutes - page 7. Long story short the economy is doing fine.

Risk in Incursions is people messing with them. If people aren't messing with them, that is *not* the fault of the incursion runners.

5B isk/day? U mad bro! @,@

Highest rate of income I've heard is in the 90-120m isk/hr, no different than the highest, most skilled mission runners made. And, according to the CCP/CSM meeting minutes there are fewer and fewer people running missions, and more running incursions (so, basically it's a wash). Besides which, even granting a flat, 120m isk/hour rate, nobody could make 5 billion isk in a day, basic math.

So, what have we learned? The economy is fine, mission runners are moving to incursions, Incursions aren't paying out higher than lvl 4's (except possibly to the highest skilled players, who earned the same amount running missions because they *are* higher skilled) and the risk in incursions is the same as the risk in the rest of the game. Other players.


there's absolutely nothing wrong with massive ISK printing with concord protection, nope not at all

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar
Asuri Kinnes
Perkone
Caldari State
#35 - 2012-01-20 01:13:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Asuri Kinnes
Andski wrote:
there's absolutely nothing wrong with massive ISK printing with concord protection, nope not at all

Roll

CSM Minutes wrote:
In general the EVE economy is in good shape. All macro indicators are within acceptable parameters, fluctuations are minimal and participation in the economy is going up. Most online games experience constant inflation, where the developers are constantly adding new items at higher prices which end up with devaluing both the currency used in the game and older items. EVE shows a different behavior, where over a few years there was a continued deflation (following the introduction of tech II invention) but over the past year and a half there has been good stability with a mild inflation (around 1% per month). The Consumer Price Index is monitored very closely and due to the amount of information about the economy available to CCP the index is updated monthly. EVE’s has a well-functioning economy as people can buy more with their ISK which allows both older players to advance and new players to start off in an easier manner.

Apparently not... AND working to the benefit of newer players, how about that...?

At least, it's not having a negative effect on the economy to this point. With the CPI being updated monthly, I would assume that any negative impacts would have been felt by now.

Another behavior change relates to missions and Incursions. The numbers suggest that missions completed per character are on a slow downward trend, while Incursions are moving upwards. The CSM commented that this was to be expected, missions are not that fun to run while Incursions are slightly more entertaining.
Quote:
It is furthermore evident that following the Sanctum nerf many people moved to running Incursions.


So - Mission runners are leaving missions, and going to Incursions, again, a wash, because the incursion runners are siphoning off people who ran missions (and, by extension, the people who used to run 0.0 anoms).


The next paragraph down, ccp states that they are looking at Incursions, with an eye on gameplay, not just monetary reward. So don't worry - the nerf bat is incoming here as well...


You can un-bunch your panties now...Lol


Edited the dam urls out - Roll

Bob is the god of Wormholes.

That's all you need to know.
Asuri Kinnes
Perkone
Caldari State
#36 - 2012-01-20 01:15:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Asuri Kinnes
You are kidding me?

CCP's forums don't like their own PDF for the CSM minutes?

WTF CCP!?

Quote me - apparently you can see the post there... Roll

Bob is the god of Wormholes.

That's all you need to know.
Jorn Isu
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#37 - 2012-01-20 05:11:40 UTC
Asuri Kinnes wrote:
You are kidding me?

CCP's forums don't like their own PDF for the CSM minutes?

WTF CCP!?

Quote me - apparently you can see the post there... Roll

bbcode like url= is bad practice, because people don't bother to read the url on the "you are leaving eveonline.com" page and you could do something like (url=badsite.com)goodsite.org(/url). People are dumb. Good systems design minimizes the damage they can do to themselves and others with that dumbness.
Asuri Kinnes
Perkone
Caldari State
#38 - 2012-01-23 00:55:27 UTC
Andski wrote:
there's absolutely nothing wrong with massive ISK printing with concord protection, nope not at all

Apparently not, it's not harming the economy (according to Dr. E / CCP - and the CSM didn't raise any red flags) - so apparently it's not harming anything at all.

Maybe you could identify for me, what, exactly is the problem? People are playing in groups, other people are screwing with these groups, seems like "emergent game-play" to me...

What specific problem are you trying to fix?

Bob is the god of Wormholes.

That's all you need to know.
GreasyCarl Semah
A Game as Old as Empire
#39 - 2012-01-23 23:10:07 UTC
Asuri Kinnes wrote:
Andski wrote:
there's absolutely nothing wrong with massive ISK printing with concord protection, nope not at all

Apparently not, it's not harming the economy (according to Dr. E / CCP - and the CSM didn't raise any red flags) - so apparently it's not harming anything at all.

Maybe you could identify for me, what, exactly is the problem? People are playing in groups, other people are screwing with these groups, seems like "emergent game-play" to me...

What specific problem are you trying to fix?


His tiny e-peen?
Asuri Kinnes
Perkone
Caldari State
#40 - 2012-01-24 01:26:59 UTC
GreasyCarl Semah wrote:
Asuri Kinnes wrote:
Andski wrote:
there's absolutely nothing wrong with massive ISK printing with concord protection, nope not at all

Apparently not, it's not harming the economy (according to Dr. E / CCP - and the CSM didn't raise any red flags) - so apparently it's not harming anything at all.

Maybe you could identify for me, what, exactly is the problem? People are playing in groups, other people are screwing with these groups, seems like "emergent game-play" to me...

What specific problem are you trying to fix?


His tiny e-peen?

I want to laugh, but as much as I *can* (and have) disagreed with Andski, he can also (when he puts him mind to it) make a very cogent and logical post. As such I like it when I (or someone else) can goad him into making that post. He can be a snarky SOB when he puts his mind to it as well (no doubt about it) but it's not all he does...

Bob is the god of Wormholes.

That's all you need to know.
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