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Closing incursions by killing the Mothership

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Tian Nu
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#21 - 2012-01-16 12:03:03 UTC
Darius III wrote:
Soon you will not be able to count on having an incursion available to you 23/7.


Soon you will be able only to use bots in 0.0 to rat for you 24/7 while afk.

ty darius

Father O'Malley about Darius III begging for whelp: “Hows that working out for ya ? I make it 02:21 and all I see is you begging Riverini to get numbers and trying to recruit from the incursion public channel.”
XXSketchxx
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
#22 - 2012-01-16 15:25:12 UTC
Endeavour Starfleet wrote:


You idiots will temporally drive people back into LVL4s but I hope you don't expect people to flock to your BS gatehump or structure bash CTA because you destroyed a way for people to group in hisec.


look at this guy being all mad
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#23 - 2012-01-16 16:14:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Vaerah Vahrokha
Endeavour Starfleet wrote:
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I am also quite sure there are 0.0 leaders who would want their members to actually be in 0.0 instead of jump cloning away in hi sec (few have top pimp ship high SP alts). When I lived in 0.0 sec one of the important duties was to patrol our systems and be "present" 24/7. If half players jump away to hi sec, not only they won't patrol, but they will also be unavailable in case of attacks, operations and so on.


GET Yer butt out of incursions and defend mah MOON GOOZ!!!

Removing opportunities that empower members is a big goal of multiple nullsec alliances. Members were actually daring to want more of the pie and less forced CTAS and the alliances are striking back.



I don't recall people getting a gun to their head to join such "defend mah MOON GOOZ!!!" corps.

If they do, they can just leave them and join other corps.
When I was in DR, in the beginning we had no moon, no goo yet we were in 0.0 with a nice ship replacement program even covering lost carriers and dreads.

Those who join a stupid corp only centered around moons and not even a replacement program can only blame themselves tbh.


As for the other 0.0 corps, those not self centered about moon goos, they hire players to work with and for them, expecially to defend their own grounds. No big surprise they get annoyed as people just tell them: "hey I jump clone to make better money see you in 2 days kthxbye".

Then what was the point of those pilots to even get there to begin with?

Then - most of all - if the corpies JC to hi sec to do incursions, what was the point of taking sov, grinding the system up to get the most upgraded combat sites and stuff, paying the fat bills for that?

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Wrathful Hawk
Clipped Wingz
Safety.
#24 - 2012-01-16 16:46:13 UTC
So brick squad are butthurt they're losing members and bears are making more money than them? Blink

This thread amuses me. :D
Azura Solus
Rules of Acquisition
#25 - 2012-01-16 16:49:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Azura Solus
Wow enuf already, Enuf with the theories as to why they are doing it. If you dont like it either do something about it or dont do incursions. Yes what they have done has gotten everyone in al uproar about their isk. But if you dont want them popping them mom early Stand up and do something about it. Get a fleet of BB's and scorps and take em out. If you dont like the fact that they are ganking people in assault fleets be the first to gank them. Its really that simple,

They will continue untill either they get bored or until you push back enuf to make them stop plain and simple.

Edit: On a personal note i am not agreeing with what they are doing but i am disagreeing how the incursion community is handleing it.
Dzajic
#26 - 2012-01-16 16:52:29 UTC
Just reading the OP and supportive comments (and in C&P threads) makes me physically sick. The feeling that EVE has more than its fair shared of sociopaths that had me unsub so many times before. And "wtf did I resub, its as bad as has always been".

There is no exploit of any kind involved with highsec incursions. Nothing. CCP made them to stay for a week and despawn if no one kills mom before that. Of course please keep them alive as long as possible and do sites that farm best isk. Its only reasonable option.

Very nice to see a CSM openly **** in the face of player-base and proudly brag about his griefing schemes.
kyrieee
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#27 - 2012-01-16 16:56:11 UTC
Dzajic wrote:
Just reading the OP and supportive comments (and in C&P threads) makes me physically sick. The feeling that EVE has more than its fair shared of sociopaths that had me unsub so many times before. And "wtf did I resub, its as bad as has always been".


You're only a victim if you choose to be one.
This is a game where people can do what they want, you should empower yourself instead of QQing about people doing things you don't approve of. Or find another game.
Dzajic
#28 - 2012-01-16 17:24:20 UTC
kyrieee wrote:
Dzajic wrote:
Just reading the OP and supportive comments (and in C&P threads) makes me physically sick. The feeling that EVE has more than its fair shared of sociopaths that had me unsub so many times before. And "wtf did I resub, its as bad as has always been".


You're only a victim if you choose to be one.
This is a game where people can do what they want, you should empower yourself instead of QQing about people doing things you don't approve of. Or find another game.


What the frak are you talking about? "Empowering yourself"? Your post is nothing put pretensions hot air. So many fancy words and phrases; all completely irrelevant.

I can't stop a 00 alliance from closing incursions. I can't prevent naive victims from joining their grief/suicide fleets.
I'm only a victim in sense that above activity is destroying my ISK income. And without fast and easy isk game becomes a chore where you farm forever to afford anything or don't fly 90% of stuff you have skills for.

I can be sad about wasting my money on game so full of sociopaths I can be puzzled by CCP approving all of this, all the time. CSM is a silly sad joke. They exist to be buddy buddy with CCP so CCP can feel good about itself and claim it has good and close relations with its playerbase (aka CSM aka dozen people representing/ruling 5-10% playerbase)


But most of all I am shocked by CSM member openly pissing in face of player-base saying "I'm gonna inconvenient and grief you as much as its possible". It would be almost morally acceptable if statement was "incursions give too much money to highsec, we will stop it all". No its "we will close all but one force you all into one constellation and fill it without suicide/grief fleets". Shiniest fleets will compete each other and still make isk. Rest will at best not get any money; at worst join one of Krissana's fleets and lose their ship.
fuer0n
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#29 - 2012-01-16 17:27:50 UTC  |  Edited by: fuer0n
he's pissed at people not buying his isk Big smile

and the people dissaproving , just make a gank fleet and kill/jam the logi when they are on the mom. cheap ships to bump the battleships so they cant align out, wait till the sancha make nice fireworks.

ccp are inbetween a rock and a hard place. if they nerf incursions they are going to lose customers on the other hand they have the csm (mostly corrupt who use info gleaned for self/alliance advantage) bleating for nerfs.

i dont aprove or dissaprove.

negotiations with the leaders of btl and the armour channel. negotiating what exactly?
Goose99
#30 - 2012-01-16 17:42:04 UTC
Good. Natural selection at work. Fewer competitions = more isk for the rest of us. "Public Incursion Blacklist" roaster is booming, now with corps and alliances instead of individuals.Big smile
Dzajic
#31 - 2012-01-16 17:47:34 UTC
Goose99 wrote:
Good. Natural selection at work. Fewer competitions = more isk for the rest of us. "Public Incursion Blacklist" roaster is booming, now with corps and alliances instead of individuals.Big smile


There were 950 in constellation in Kisune last night. There is world outside BTL Pub and DTF; people will come and crowd and contest and die to suicide fleets. Shiny fleets were running with 12 and only 2 logis just to get some payout considering how contested everything was and will be.

Btw. There is no apparent inflation in EVE. Only price rising is price of PLEX. Ships and mods are stable or slowly bouncing up and down depending on events in nullsec. Huge part of PLEX price fluctuations are market speculators. "PLEX for remaps", "PLEX for AUR", "PLEX for fanfest"... whenever there is a hit of something like that PLEX exploded.
Goose99
#32 - 2012-01-16 17:51:08 UTC
Dzajic wrote:
Goose99 wrote:
Good. Natural selection at work. Fewer competitions = more isk for the rest of us. "Public Incursion Blacklist" roaster is booming, now with corps and alliances instead of individuals.Big smile


There were 950 in constellation in Kisune last night. There is world outside BTL Pub and DTF; people will come and crowd and contest and die to suicide fleets. Shiny fleets were running with 12 and only 2 logis just to get some payout considering how contested everything was and will be.

Btw. There is no apparent inflation in EVE. Only price rising is price of PLEX. Ships and mods are stable or slowly bouncing up and down depending on events in nullsec. Huge part of PLEX price fluctuations are market speculators. "PLEX for remaps", "PLEX for AUR", "PLEX for fanfest"... whenever there is a hit of something like that PLEX exploded.


Still, those outside DTF should pop more often. It can only help.Cool
Krissada
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#33 - 2012-01-16 17:52:24 UTC
OH MY GOD - LOOK AT ALL THOSE TEARS
What have I done? Sad
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#34 - 2012-01-16 18:03:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Vaerah Vahrokha
Goose99 wrote:
Good. Natural selection at work. Fewer competitions = more isk for the rest of us. "Public Incursion Blacklist" roaster is booming, now with corps and alliances instead of individuals.Big smile


It reminds CVA blacklisting half the universe because the cousin of the friend of the corp of someone's dad did something bad 3 years before. It did not serve them well.

Also, good luck blacklisting the average 9 alts player.

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Roxwar
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#35 - 2012-01-16 18:05:28 UTC
Darius III wrote:


I am interested in hearing from a broader audience than Crime and Punishment about our actions.

Approve or disapprove and why?


I dont run incursions so have no preference right now, so im sat on the fence.

I will ask this though, why? Why are you attempting to prevent high sec incursion runners from doing the same thing that low sec people, and null sec people do already, but for more reward? I understand the risk vs reward premise, which is why low/null incursions pay higher, so in the bigger picture you want to keep low/null incursions as they are ( already higher payouts ) but stop high sec players doing the same?

If so, i'd say that was pretty hypocritical.

Maybe i dont see the bigger picture so only commenting on what i gleen from these forums, but what effect does it have on your experience of playing eve, your game, that high sec players are farming a particular event and earning lots of isk?
Goose99
#36 - 2012-01-16 18:12:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Goose99
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
Goose99 wrote:
Good. Natural selection at work. Fewer competitions = more isk for the rest of us. "Public Incursion Blacklist" roaster is booming, now with corps and alliances instead of individuals.Big smile


It reminds CVA blacklisting half the universe because the cousin of the friend of the corp of someone's dad did something bad 3 years before. It did not serve them well.

Also, good luck blacklisting the average 9 alts player.


You planning to fleet half the universe?Roll

I, carebear, only fleet those that earns me isk. Everyone else is irrelevant, and should be thus marked.Cool
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#37 - 2012-01-16 18:12:56 UTC
Roxwar wrote:


Maybe i dont see the bigger picture so only commenting on what i gleen from these forums, but what effect does it have on your experience of playing eve, your game, that high sec players are farming a particular event and earning lots of isk?



The bigger picture is this: despite low and 0.0 sec incursions nominally pay out better, low sec and 0.0 players come to hi sec (or jump clone to hi sec) to farm hi sec incursions.

Even former rich WH players abandon WHs to switch into doing hi sec incursions.


Now, the reasons are many but I suppose the main one is this:

Low sec and 0.0 incursions pay more but must be done on far worse ships and T2 fittings therefore they end up being done at more risk and MUCH less efficiency than high sec ones. Therefore the low sec / 0.0 dwellers do their math and all come to hi sec. Furthermore, unlike hi sec, the more you stay at a given site, the exponentially higher the probability of being found by aggressors.

This automagically promotes hi sec incursions as THE way to farm ISK. Expecially when made not to end.
In the past, this happened for other game features (i.e. L4) and CCP used some hard nerfs, multiple times.

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fuer0n
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#38 - 2012-01-16 18:14:06 UTC  |  Edited by: fuer0n
Roxwar wrote:
Darius III wrote:


I am interested in hearing from a broader audience than Crime and Punishment about our actions.

Approve or disapprove and why?


I dont run incursions so have no preference right now, so im sat on the fence.

I will ask this though, why? Why are you attempting to prevent high sec incursion runners from doing the same thing that low sec people, and null sec people do already, but for more reward? I understand the risk vs reward premise, which is why low/null incursions pay higher, so in the bigger picture you want to keep low/null incursions as they are ( already higher payouts ) but stop high sec players doing the same?

If so, i'd say that was pretty hypocritical.

Maybe i dont see the bigger picture so only commenting on what i gleen from these forums, but what effect does it have on your experience of playing eve, your game, that high sec players are farming a particular event and earning lots of isk?




why? because people were fed up of being treated like **** by alliance leaders in 0.0 quit or said screw you and came to do incursions in hi sec.

if your promised ship replacment program and they don't pay up **** em.
Dzajic
#39 - 2012-01-16 18:19:24 UTC
Krissada wrote:
OH MY GOD - LOOK AT ALL THOSE TEARS
What have I done? Sad


Your bait fleets were "busted" immediately, and remain to be epically obvious traps. But with apparent lack of incursions people are desperate to get into fleets and feed you. How many alts did you recycle advertising in BTL and DTF? Fifty? Sixty?

And you really didn't do anything new. Grief fleets were there the moment incursions started. Without Darius'es help to turn Incursions into scarce commodity you couldn't have done anything.


Thing is, you and Darius and so many others are just terrible persons. You can say you are doing it for trolling or for lulz... but so near beneath those words your sociopathy shines like a nova. Causing injury and grief to others for personal profit and even worse for amusement isn't fun or trolling, its sociopathic behavior.
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#40 - 2012-01-16 18:53:42 UTC
Dzajic wrote:


Thing is, you and Darius and so many others are just terrible persons. You can say you are doing it for trolling or for lulz... but so near beneath those words your sociopathy shines like a nova. Causing injury and grief to others for personal profit and even worse for amusement isn't fun or trolling, its sociopathic behavior.


They may be sociopathic but if you had your whole alliance blacklisted because *1* guy stole 50k ISK worth of mineral, what adjective would you use to define the blacklisters?

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