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Closing incursions by killing the Mothership

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Fronkfurter McSheebleton
Horse Feathers
CAStabouts
#221 - 2012-01-23 13:27:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Fronkfurter McSheebleton
Khanh'rhh wrote:
ratting

Quote:
Nyx

And you complain about people having pirate battleships.....Ugh

I mean I won't argue vanguards are a bit broken, but you can still make 60 mil/hr or better running L4's, even...it's not THAT out of line, especially compared to what you can do in sov space....

thhief ghabmoef
Flashson
State War Academy
Caldari State
#222 - 2012-01-23 14:24:34 UTC
Broken my ass, incursions aren't broken. This is just a lame excuse to grief. If you want nerfs to happen then you better nerf null. You want to talk about isk faucet, mining alone in null can pay for your subscription and thats just after a week of mining, everything else goes into your pocket. Not to mention PI, moon mining, and selling items 10 times of what they're worth. You can't make a whole lot of isk in high sec because that's the whole point of moving into null, but you have to be prepared. Most corps aren't prepared for going into null and you guys are taking away the one option that gives people a chance to make isk. Not everyone likes grinding away at missions and mining in high sec is ridiculous, there is no point to it. If you are in a good null alliance then you can start making isk from day 1, to get into incursions you need at least a month of skill training. Since I have started incursions I have flown all over high sec chasing them down, waiting in the incursion chat channel for hours for a fleet but you guys in null all you have to do is undock and you're making money.

The whole thing about incursions lowering the value of isk is BS anyways. Do you really think that a few people that do incursions are going to change the market? If so then you really don't have a clue. Have you actually seen prices for anything go up? I've see things go down in price and up. The market still fluctuates like normal and you can't say why because it's a player based market.

In the end I seriously doubt CCP is going to nerf incursions and all of you guys will end up giving up on this stupid campaign.
XXSketchxx
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
#223 - 2012-01-23 14:26:37 UTC
gascanu wrote:

haha you think that warping a carrier in anomalies is work.... Shocked


Kindly point to the post in which I implied this in any fashion please, TIA. (hint, I didn't, I regularly leave a carrier afk ratting in Fountain because its easy, feel free to find it and help me get rid of it, again TIA)

Notice though that I'm actually risking something here hurrrrrrrrrr...o wait incursions have risk in the form of drunk FCs, you're right

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also confirming that joining a HUGE napfest to get/keep moons is effort


Standard pubbie, assumptions about things he'll forever be jealous of.

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p.s: i also think that farming anomalies with titans/supers is hard work. Big smile


I do too. You know how hard it is to get titan pilots to log in? Damn.

XXSketchxx
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
#224 - 2012-01-23 14:28:10 UTC
Flashson wrote:
Broken my ass, incursions aren't broken. This is just a lame excuse to grief.


Mommy make the griefers go awayyyyyyyyyyyyyy. They keep trying to make me play their wayyyyyyyyyyyyy

They're making me a sad pandaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

Mommyyyyyyyyyyyyyy
Flashson
State War Academy
Caldari State
#225 - 2012-01-23 14:34:15 UTC
XXSketchxx wrote:
Flashson wrote:
Broken my ass, incursions aren't broken. This is just a lame excuse to grief.


Mommy make the griefers go awayyyyyyyyyyyyyy. They keep trying to make me play their wayyyyyyyyyyyyy

They're making me a sad pandaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

Mommyyyyyyyyyyyyyy



Quick little troll you are. Don't listen to these test alliance douche bags. They seem to be quite happy sucking goon **** all day, anything they say can't be considered liable.

I would never give in to playing your way. Like I said, you'll give up and all I have to do is wait while you go around and waste your time.
XXSketchxx
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
#226 - 2012-01-23 14:51:25 UTC
Flashson wrote:


I would never give in to playing your way. Like I said, you'll give up and all I have to do is wait while you go around and waste your time.


You're already playing my way by pouring tears all over this forum

Man you are like the face of all high sec pubbies. You're just so darn cute aren't ya?
Super Whopper
I can Has Cheeseburger
#227 - 2012-01-23 15:42:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Super Whopper
XXSketchxx wrote:
pubbies


Hanging around with the Goons has had an effect on your vocabulary. You don't know what democracy or irony mean and now you're throwing the word pubby around as if it's 2004.

I do love your elitist attitude though. Not that you have anything to back it up with but I get a kick laughing at you.
XXSketchxx
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
#228 - 2012-01-23 15:55:15 UTC
Super Whopper wrote:
XXSketchxx wrote:
pubbies


Hanging around with the Goons has had an effect on your vocabulary. You don't know what democracy or irony mean and now you're throwing the word pubby around as if it's 2004.


Its 2006 buddy

Also, I'm actually kind of new to Test. I haven't hung out with goons since the razor/goon days of delve. Perhaps its time to join a DBRB fleet....

PS: please tell me what majority vote means and what irony is thanks
BearJews
Order of Extrodinary Gentlemen
#229 - 2012-01-23 16:14:31 UTC
Aww poor null secers gotta hate that hi sec now has good income. I forget who's tears are shed more and how much because null secers cry more than any hi-sec pubber I'VE ever seen. Just look at these forums and it's more than enough evidence.
XXSketchxx
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
#230 - 2012-01-23 16:19:36 UTC
BearJews wrote:
Aww poor null secers gotta hate that hi sec now has good income. I forget who's tears are shed more and how much because null secers cry more than any hi-sec pubber I'VE ever seen. Just look at these forums and it's more than enough evidence.


Ok.
XXSketchxx
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
#231 - 2012-01-23 16:20:36 UTC
Super Whopper wrote:


I do love your elitist attitude though. Not that you have anything to back it up with but I get a kick laughing at you.



Adorable edit.

Dreddit member with elitist attitude hurrrrr.

Yeah im definitely elite.
gascanu
Bearing Srl.
#232 - 2012-01-23 16:39:52 UTC
XXSketchxx wrote:


Standard pubbie, assumptions about things he'll forever be jealous of.





lolol a testie calling someone else a pubbieBig smile
Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
#233 - 2012-01-23 16:49:16 UTC
Flashson wrote:
You want to talk about isk faucet, mining alone in null can pay for your subscription and thats just after a week of mining, everything else goes into your pocket. Not to mention PI, moon mining, and selling items 10 times of what they're worth. You can't make a whole lot of isk in high sec because that's the whole point of moving into null, but you have to be prepared.

You realize someone dual boxing incursions earns nearly twice the amount as someone dual boxing sanctums in carrier+pirate faction BS in an upgraded -1.0 system right?

Also "mining alone in null can pay for your sub" after just a week?! I can pay for my sub in 2-3 hours of running incursions, maybe a bit longer when I can't immediately find a fleet with two spots.

Flashson wrote:
Do you really think that a few people that do incursions are going to change the market? If so then you really don't have a clue. Have you actually seen prices for anything go up? I've see things go down in price and up. The market still fluctuates like normal and you can't say why because it's a player based market.
A few people that do incursions? Seriously?

Flashson wrote:
In the end I seriously doubt CCP is going to nerf incursions and all of you guys will end up giving up on this stupid campaign.
Read the CSM minutes again.

[center]"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings"  -MXZF[/center]
XXSketchxx
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
#234 - 2012-01-23 16:58:34 UTC
gascanu wrote:

lolol a testie calling someone else a pubbieBig smile


I moved some technetium the other day.

How jealous are you?

haha jk nobody would ever let me touch that ****
hidden poster
Doomheim
#235 - 2012-01-23 17:00:29 UTC
Ok first think technically the people closing the incursions are not griefing, well directly anyway. Anyone is totally free to attack the Mothership once it spawns. It's the motive behind the actions that's the problem. Now that highsec has a good way to have coop play and make isk we do not need to go into low/null sec anymore to have this activity. This means less griefing chances for grifers. Well free ones anyway. And since these people are not happy unless they are causing others to cry, they cry themselves.... If it takes making someone else cry to make you happy there is something seriously wrong.

But even this isn't the biggest crime. The real crime is against CCP its' self. These people have decided they are going to wrest control of the game away from ccp and make people play their way. Not good. This is a direct chalange to the devs and i hope they answer swiftly.

Here's an ideal, since there is no concord to stop them in low/null sec, have the incursions attack the pos infrastructures and such. Give them a reason to tend to their space and stay out of others.... I just checked a bit ago and there are still 2 incursions up in low/null that were up before the highsec ones that were just closed...

As for continualy killing the incursions that spawn, that is already partially taken care of. If the commander gets away, you don't get your FPs. Also, no one can bring unlimited resources to a battle. There should be a limited # of quick spawn sites. After these are used up there should be a longer delay before more of the type of stie is able to spawn. To the point where they barely spawn, due to the need to build everything from scratch using local resources and such. If it gets to where several types of sites are in this state, better get the mothership quickly, before it decided it's not worth staying around.....

One final word. The grifers do need to be controled. We already knows what happens when they are not. i'm sure U.O. should mean something to plenty of people and the ones that it doesn't, I suggest you go look up its' history. Yes it's a game and i was supprised to discover it's still running.... I do have some ideals on how to control them better, but that's for another time.
Khanh'rhh
Sparkle Motion.
#236 - 2012-01-23 17:03:05 UTC
Flashson wrote:
You want to talk about isk faucet, mining alone in null can pay for your subscription and thats just after a week of mining

Mining is not a source of ISK, it is a source of minerals. Also, even "in null" you can't break about 45mil in an hour with a max skilled hulk with a max skilled Orca boosting.
Flashson wrote:
Not to mention PI

You shouldn't mention it, as it isn't a source of ISK.
Flashson wrote:
Not to mention [..] moon mining

You shouldn't mention it, as it isn't a source of ISK.
Flashson wrote:
and selling items 10 times of what they're worth

Supply and demand.
Also, they're not a source of ISK.

People are talking about 100+mil an hour of ISK being generated by a single toon running an incursion site, NOT items that are subsequently traded.

Flashson wrote:
You can't make a whole lot of isk in high sec because that's the whole point of moving into null

Except you can earn as much multiboxing Incursions as you can multiboxing anoms.

"Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual,

Khanh'rhh
Sparkle Motion.
#237 - 2012-01-23 17:07:44 UTC
hidden poster wrote:
But even this isn't the biggest crime. The real crime is against CCP its' self. These people have decided they are going to wrest control of the game away from ccp and make people play their way. Not good. This is a direct chalange to the devs and i hope they answer swiftly.

CCP designed the mom to spawn when the bar hit 100% - with the intention that it would then be challenged.
It was the incursion bears who made a pact to not do this, and instead grind the same sites 23.5/7

Basically, the "greifers" are the ones restoring CCPs vision of the feature.

One final word. The carebears do need to be controled. We already knows what happens when they are not. i'm sure U.O. should mean something to plenty of people and the ones that it doesn't*, I suggest you go look up its' history. Yes it's a game and i was supprised to discover it's still running.... I do have some ideals on how to control them better, but that's for another time.

* - history lesson, UO died when they made PVP consensual. Sound familiar?

"Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual,

hidden poster
Doomheim
#238 - 2012-01-23 17:13:13 UTC

* - history lesson, UO died when they made PVP consensual. Sound familiar?[/quote]

It died because they had chased most of the people away already. It was a case of too little too late...... Not due to the closed pvp. And it actually hasn't died, they somehow managed to res it enough to keep it going. t they paid an extreme price for not acting sooner.... I suggest you actually read some articles from the period before responding.....
XXSketchxx
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
#239 - 2012-01-23 17:24:01 UTC
Can you guys learn how to use the quotes properly?
de4deye
Terra Nova Innovations
Sedition.
#240 - 2012-01-23 17:27:31 UTC
Ah Darius I understand what you are doing but don't forget that these are not all carebears. Half of the people doing them are 0.0 guys making isk on a highsec alt. Killing carebears and extorting them for isk is fun and all, but I'm sure you understand how it is all a bit silly to do all this to try to get all the carebears in a tissy. Be it for PR, maybe? Regardless the isk you are making off this or tears you get from the carebears you kill - it's not really that funny.

My two cents,
de4deye