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What to do about a couple of stealth bombers camping a gate in 0.0?

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Uppsy Daisy
State War Academy
Caldari State
#21 - 2012-01-16 17:34:55 UTC
Lyris Nairn wrote:
First, I am not a Diplomat for my Alliance or Coalition;


Fair enough, you may not go by an official title, but your posts imply that you at least represent them at some reasonably high level.

Lyris Nairn wrote:
Second, my stated mission is to be everyone's space friend.;


Very funny. Somebody stitch my sides back together I think they've split.

Lyris Nairn wrote:
e: I personally think it's a good thing that everyone in this thread (with the exception of yourself) made no comment at all about my affiliation or filtered their comments because of it.


I agree, their comments are pretty helpful and on-topic. Mine was neither on topic nor helpful.

Come on though.. you must see the irony on some level?
ROXGenghis
Perkone
Caldari State
#22 - 2012-01-16 17:39:53 UTC
Point awarded to OP for successful troll!
Lyris Nairn
Perkone
Caldari State
#23 - 2012-01-16 17:48:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Lyris Nairn
Uppsy Daisy wrote:
Lyris Nairn wrote:
First, I am not a Diplomat for my Alliance or Coalition;


Fair enough, you may not go by an official title, but your posts imply that you at least represent them at some reasonably high level.

I am a Mentor, which means that I have access to a section of the corporation hangar with blueprints, minerals and spare modules used in the manufacture, fitting and distribution of ships for newbees (and anyone else in the Alliance who asks for one), those ships being things like Rifters, Thrashers, Merlins, Ospreys, and so on. This is a title I share with a few dozen folks, and which affords me the opportunity to be sure that all members of any fleet I lead will at least be able to fly some sort of ship, and to pass out appropriate ships to anyone in the Alliance who asks for one (because we literally give away free stuff from our alliance proceeds).

I am a Skirmish Commander, which means that I have access to a channel on Jabber where some directors and fleet commanders hang out so that I can ping their names when I'd like one of them to please broadcast a fleet advertisement to our jabber conference, and which affords me very limited authority to designate specific persons in the fleets I run who should receive augmented reimbursement payouts for potential losses of certain ships; specifically, it allows me to designate that So-and-So was the guy I asked to run a Command Bonus T3 for the fleet, and so he should receive the "special" payout rather than the regular payout for T3 ship losses. I share the Skirmish Commander title with probably a few dozen people, and in a corruption of its initials I call myself the illustrious Sky Captain of Your Heart.

I used to be a Reimburser, which afforded me access to the alliance Reimbursement wallet so that I could review loss mails and compare them to our fleet doctrine and payout Reimbursement rewards according to fitting compliance or non-compliance; but, I was purged from that group due to my inactivity over the holiday season.

Finally and most importantly, I am a Good Poster, which is the single highest function any Goon can serve.

Sky Captain of Your Heart

Reddit: lyris_nairn Skype: lyris.nairn Twitter: @lyris_nairn

Lyris Nairn
Perkone
Caldari State
#24 - 2012-01-16 17:53:34 UTC
Uppsy Daisy wrote:
Lyris Nairn wrote:
Second, my stated mission is to be everyone's space friend.;


Very funny. Somebody stitch my sides back together I think they've split.

Lyris Nairn wrote:
e: I personally think it's a good thing that everyone in this thread (with the exception of yourself) made no comment at all about my affiliation or filtered their comments because of it.


I agree, their comments are pretty helpful and on-topic. Mine was neither on topic nor helpful.

Come on though.. you must see the irony on some level?

I honestly don't see why you are focusing so much on this. Do you also believe that all blond women are stupid, that all men of African heritage are thieves, that all people of Hebrew heritage are frugal, and so on? You are displaying nothing more than a textbook example of prejudicial discrimination. Would you like links to scientific proofs of why prejudicial discrimination, along with all other instances of inductive inference, are logically fallacious?

Sky Captain of Your Heart

Reddit: lyris_nairn Skype: lyris.nairn Twitter: @lyris_nairn

Uppsy Daisy
State War Academy
Caldari State
#25 - 2012-01-16 18:11:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Uppsy Daisy
It would be prejudicial if there was no evidence to support my line of reasoning that Goons (and you) are not interested in helping the public.

There is plenty/
Visa Declined
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#26 - 2012-01-16 18:15:38 UTC
Uppsy Daisy wrote:
Lyris Nairn wrote:
First, I am not a Diplomat for my Alliance or Coalition;


Fair enough, you may not go by an official title, but your posts imply that you at least represent them at some reasonably high level.


Lyris isn't a representative of anything goon related. He's just an attention whore who has turned to the eve-o forums seeking that which he cannot find at goonfleet dot com. An audience.
Lyris Nairn
Perkone
Caldari State
#27 - 2012-01-16 18:22:47 UTC
Uppsy Daisy wrote:
It would be prejudicial if there was no evidence to support my line of reasoning that Goons (and you) are not interested in helping the public.

There is plenty/

Amazingly that is not what prejudicial means.

Sky Captain of Your Heart

Reddit: lyris_nairn Skype: lyris.nairn Twitter: @lyris_nairn

Lyris Nairn
Perkone
Caldari State
#28 - 2012-01-16 18:23:07 UTC
Visa Declined wrote:
Uppsy Daisy wrote:
Lyris Nairn wrote:
First, I am not a Diplomat for my Alliance or Coalition;


Fair enough, you may not go by an official title, but your posts imply that you at least represent them at some reasonably high level.


Lyris isn't a representative of anything goon related. He's just an attention ***** who has turned to the eve-o forums seeking that which he cannot find at goonfleet dot com. An audience.

Best post in this thread.

Sky Captain of Your Heart

Reddit: lyris_nairn Skype: lyris.nairn Twitter: @lyris_nairn

Roxwar
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#29 - 2012-01-16 19:29:32 UTC
Being a newbie PVP wanabe myself, if it was me i'd fit myself a cloak ( if possible, not checked so dont know ) web, points, ab and go sit roughly where they keep warping to/uncloaking and cloak up yourself.
Then wait.

If or when they decloak or warp to the general area your sat waiting for them at, i'd uncloak and gently caress their chocalate starfish with some 200mm Autocannons and laugh as obnoxiously as possible in local while you orbit and watch their torps scratch your paintwork at 4000m while your 200's rip them to shreds hehe
Istvaan Shogaatsu
Guiding Hand Social Club
#30 - 2012-01-16 20:25:15 UTC
Roxwar wrote:
Being a newbie PVP wanabe myself, if it was me i'd fit myself a cloak ( if possible, not checked so dont know ) web, points, ab and go sit roughly where they keep warping to/uncloaking and cloak up yourself.
Then wait.

If or when they decloak or warp to the general area your sat waiting for them at, i'd uncloak and gently caress their chocalate starfish with some 200mm Autocannons and laugh as obnoxiously as possible in local while you orbit and watch their torps scratch your paintwork at 4000m while your 200's rip them to shreds hehe


I'm afraid this wouldn't work on a Rifter as it could only fit a non-covert ops cloak, and suffer a targeting delay penalty.
Roxwar
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#31 - 2012-01-16 20:32:22 UTC
Istvaan Shogaatsu wrote:
Roxwar wrote:
Being a newbie PVP wanabe myself, if it was me i'd fit myself a cloak ( if possible, not checked so dont know ) web, points, ab and go sit roughly where they keep warping to/uncloaking and cloak up yourself.
Then wait.

If or when they decloak or warp to the general area your sat waiting for them at, i'd uncloak and gently caress their chocalate starfish with some 200mm Autocannons and laugh as obnoxiously as possible in local while you orbit and watch their torps scratch your paintwork at 4000m while your 200's rip them to shreds hehe


I'm afraid this wouldn't work on a Rifter as it could only fit a non-covert ops cloak, and suffer a targeting delay penalty.


Ah crap :(

Good idea in theory though right Lol

Actually, wouldnt it suffice to uncloak, and repeatedly bump them to prevent warping until your targetting delay expired, then lock them up and have fun?
Alaric Faelen
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#32 - 2012-01-16 23:44:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Alaric Faelen
I didn't read the replies so as not to steal ideas. I fly both SB's and Inty's mostly, so this thread is right in my wheelhouse.

Bubble up common gate warp OUT angles, but not where you think the SB's will actually be coming from- SB's normally attack already aligned to a celestial but still within D-Scan range of the gate. If they try to warp out to their celestial, they'll hit your bubble. This may just force them to use alternate warp outs, but they'll be farther out or less convenient to rejoin the fight from.

Clutter up space around those approaches around the 50-70km mark as much a possible with jet cans to hopefully force a decloak or two. it's random, but 99% of an SB attack is before you hit decloak, and anything that interferes with that process is victory in itself.

Keep a couple Interceptors orbiting at 30km or so off the gate. I like a SeBo with resolution script for near insta-lock speeds. The instant something decloaks you overheat MWD and long point, close distance and get a tackle. Even just getting the lock will prevent recloaking, so any decent SB pilot will be spamming the warp button if he's actually locked- and no longer be an immediate threat. Even without a kill, you've broken up their attack with nothing more than getting a lock.

I make a bare minimum sig radius of utmost importance in an SB, combined with remote damping if possible- the key is to never get locked..ever. So an inty with insta-lock is the SB's mortal enemy. it takes all the options off the table except warp out, and an inty with it's mid's OH- can likely get an SB tackled before it gets off a second volley and SB's are two-shot kills for pretty much anything at that point- the Inty doesn't need backup to kill SB's.

Of course the SB is zero threat to the interceptor in return.

You could use high alpha arty destroyers with fast prop mods and fast lock mods- SB's won't be in control of transversal since they run aligned. But as ships get larger they'll just take longer to achieve that all important lock, which is why I primarily suggest Inty's.
Bienator II
madmen of the skies
#33 - 2012-01-17 01:24:02 UTC
sell your rifter at a hub. Use the earned isk to station trade the next 5 years. As soon you have enough money bribe the stealth bomber pilots to self destruct.

how to fix eve: 1) remove ECM 2) rename dampeners to ECM 3) add new anti-drone ewar for caldari 4) give offgrid boosters ongrid combat value

Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local
Break-A-Wish Foundation
#34 - 2012-01-17 03:26:15 UTC
Lyris Nairn wrote:
Vimsy Vortis wrote:
Rifters with microwarpdrives? You nullsec folks have strange ways and I don't understand them.

It's a newbee tackle fit, meant for brand new players to get involved in fleet engagements.

We have newbie tacklers in highsec too. It's just they have disruptors and afterburners instead of MWDs and scrams.
Bernie Nator
Seal Club Six
Plug N Play
#35 - 2012-01-17 03:38:06 UTC
HEY OP YOU SHOULD USE A SEBO AND MWD WITH AUTOCANNONS SO YOU CAN PEW THE **** OUT OF THAT THING.

Edited for jet lag.
Corina Jarr
en Welle Shipping Inc.
#36 - 2012-01-17 04:15:22 UTC
I'm no expert with Minmatar weapons, but if you are having trouble getting into range before they run off, a disrupter in place of the scram would help.

Artillery may or may not be needed, depending on the usefulness of the disrupter (and if you are fast enough, though a nano Rifter should be).

And of course, sebo if the bombers are simply cloaking before you can lock.
Lyris Nairn
Perkone
Caldari State
#37 - 2012-01-17 05:35:37 UTC
Vimsy Vortis wrote:
Lyris Nairn wrote:
Vimsy Vortis wrote:
Rifters with microwarpdrives? You nullsec folks have strange ways and I don't understand them.

It's a newbee tackle fit, meant for brand new players to get involved in fleet engagements.

We have newbie tacklers in highsec too. It's just they have disruptors and afterburners instead of MWDs and scrams.

I can understand the Disruptor, but why the Afterburner?

Sky Captain of Your Heart

Reddit: lyris_nairn Skype: lyris.nairn Twitter: @lyris_nairn

Katrina Oniseki
Oniseki-Raata Internal Watch
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#38 - 2012-01-17 06:29:22 UTC
Lyris Nairn wrote:

I can understand the Disruptor, but why the Afterburner?


Probably to avoid sig bloom.

Katrina Oniseki

Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#39 - 2012-01-17 09:32:50 UTC
Arty and long point is the best bet.

Don't get too much accustomed at dealing with SBs with MWD though, if you switch to something larger, even a cruiser, the increased signature makes you pop very very easily by a bomb.
Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local
Break-A-Wish Foundation
#40 - 2012-01-17 15:21:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Vimsy Vortis
Lyris Nairn wrote:
Vimsy Vortis wrote:
Lyris Nairn wrote:
Vimsy Vortis wrote:
Rifters with microwarpdrives? You nullsec folks have strange ways and I don't understand them.

It's a newbee tackle fit, meant for brand new players to get involved in fleet engagements.

We have newbie tacklers in highsec too. It's just they have disruptors and afterburners instead of MWDs and scrams.

I can understand the Disruptor, but why the Afterburner?

So you don't die instantly when you inevitably get scrammed by another frigate. It actually dosen't matter very much for tackle, it's just a holdover from general purpose frigate fits that are invariably scram+ab.

Also you don't want to tackle a drake in a MWD fit frig.