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What to do about a couple of stealth bombers camping a gate in 0.0?

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Lyris Nairn
Perkone
Caldari State
#1 - 2012-01-16 02:25:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Lyris Nairn
Hi,

I was sitting on the Torrinos gate in EC-P8R today in my newbee tackle Rifter, effectively camping it all by myself. Every so often a couple of stealth bombers would uncloak and shoot bombs or torpedoes at my Rifter, but they would do minimal damage; however, they would always manage to cloak again or warp away from me before I could get in range to get a point, even when I was burning right at them with my MicroWarpdrive. I know that some people have killed bombers in Rifters, within my own alliance, and I am flying one that has two nanofibers in the low slots so I am going fairly fast; but, they manage to get away every time. Is this just a question of luck and timing, or is there something I can do to fix my fit or my tactic?

For comparison, I am orbiting the gate at 2,500 with my MicroWarpdrive off until I see one of them uncloak on my overview and then burning straight at them with an overheaded MicroWarpdrive. My fit is below:

Fleet Rifter
High
3x 200mm AutoCannons (EMP S or other close-range ammo)
1x Salvager I
Medium
1MN MicroWarpdrive I
Stasis Webifier I
Warp Scrambler I
Low
1x Capacitor Power Relay I
2x Nanofiber Internal Structure I

I am not looking for ~elite PVP~ solutions, pretty much anything that requires me to upgrade from meta-0 tech-1 modules is not a solution that I really want to endorse. I was thinking about maybe swapping the stasis webifier or the warp scrambler for a warp disruptor so that I can get the long-range point, though that has trade-offs both in capacitor stability and in potentially losing the tackle if he has a MicroWarpdrive and/or a Warp Core Stabilizer fit to his stealth bomber.

Sky Captain of Your Heart

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Singeabooty Raj
Doomheim
#2 - 2012-01-16 02:33:14 UTC
This thread is a sekret Goonswarm recruitment test thingy. Answer wisely kids and your in.

Black Man with Goggles

Vladimir Blackschlong
Bad Investment Choices
#3 - 2012-01-16 02:35:29 UTC
Have you considered an artillery fit?
Katrina Oniseki
Oniseki-Raata Internal Watch
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#4 - 2012-01-16 02:41:25 UTC
As I said ingame, try fitting artillery with a sensor booster and a long point. I'm assuming the bombers are uncloaking at a range of 50km+, so adding an overheated long point plus locking them farther away (and faster too, if you're unscripted), should work. Artillery is optional I suppose, as once you get a lock they won't be cloaking again. Unless they are already aligned you shouldn't have any problem pointing them, which negates the need for range anyways. Once they're tackled, they'll go down fast enough.

Also STOP C4MP1NG U ST00P1D G3WNZ. Obligatory Goon hate.

Katrina Oniseki

Lyris Nairn
Perkone
Caldari State
#5 - 2012-01-16 02:44:39 UTC
The consensus seems to be Artillery, so I'll try it.

Sky Captain of Your Heart

Reddit: lyris_nairn Skype: lyris.nairn Twitter: @lyris_nairn

Dbars Grinding
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2012-01-16 02:54:18 UTC
spam cocks in local obviously.

I have more space likes than you. 

I likegirls
The Terrifying League Of Dog Fort
Deepwater Hooligans
#7 - 2012-01-16 04:17:53 UTC
Self destruct?
Grozdan Boyadijev
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#8 - 2012-01-16 04:34:35 UTC
This is what the warp disruptor is meant for. That, or a scripted sebo for scan resolution, of course.
Holy One
Privat Party
#9 - 2012-01-16 05:17:23 UTC
Covops can't cloak if they're being targeted. Fit a sebo and arty. :tears:

:)

Smiling Menace
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2012-01-16 08:51:09 UTC
Yeah, basically lock them and shoot before they can warp. Once locked they can't cloak.

The only trouble is, there's little chance you will get more than 1 shot on them and they are likely to survive (unless they are really unlucky) so will need to still get in range to point them.

Would be best if you camp with 2 or 3 arty rifters to instapop them.

I am only 8 jumps from EC- and would be happy to camp the gate with you.

And why are you solo camping EC-? Shouldn't you be preparing your defence of Dek for February?
Uppsy Daisy
State War Academy
Caldari State
#11 - 2012-01-16 09:06:37 UTC
For some reason I find this absolutely hilarious.

The Goon Diplomat, whose stated mission is to make everyone else's experience of the game as miserable as possible, comes to the public forums asking for help.

And the pubbies help!

Oh the irony...Shocked
Trinkets friend
Sudden Buggery
Sending Thots And Players
#12 - 2012-01-16 09:07:39 UTC
Vigil. It goes waaaaaay faster. It also has 58km lock range innate.

Also, have your MWD on overheat (but not cycling) and in the F1 position. Soon as nubcakes decloaks and launches his bomb you approach, lock him, and once the bomb goes off, hit F1.

You can use this fit, below, and T1 everything except the MAPCII - you need that PG to make the fit work.

[Vigil, TP 4 UR Bunghole]

125mm Gatling AutoCannon II, Barrage S
125mm Gatling AutoCannon II, Barrage S
Rocket Launcher II, Gremlin Javelin Rocket

Catalyzed Cold-Gas Arcjet Thrusters
Medium Shield Extender II
Warp Disruptor II

Micro Auxiliary Power Core II
Damage Control II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II

Small Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
Small Anti-Kinetic Screen Reinforcer I
Small Auxiliary Thrusters I


Warrior II x1

Alternatively if you like active reps you go an armour vigil as below;

[Vigil, Bomberganker]

150mm Light AutoCannon II, EMP S
150mm Light AutoCannon II, EMP S
Rocket Launcher II, Gremlin Javelin Rocket

Catalyzed Cold-Gas Arcjet Thrusters
Remote Sensor Dampener I, Targeting Range Dampening
Warp Disruptor II

Damage Control II
Small Armor Repairer II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II

Small Ancillary Current Router I
Small Auxiliary Nano Pump I
Small Auxiliary Nano Pump I


Warrior II x1

This one will go 4300m/s on overheat, same targeting range same scan res (556mm), but you have a better sig tank and a middling active tank. 71 Pyfa DPS cold. Remember you orbit at 500m/s with no prop mod on. The RSD is to squeeze the other bomber's targeting range down so it has to get in closer than 50km to do torps on you...or you could go a scram to turn off their MWD when you get in range, or a web. Whatever suits.

You'll be hard up against it for two bombers. But I reckon you can't go wrong trying a Vigil. I've soloed bombers in Vigils before. I have a Cheetah fit which can always, always win vs a bomber, but it requires a bit different tactics than you want to use.
Mr Bigwinky
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2012-01-16 10:10:23 UTC
Lol bomb run worth more than your ship.

1. Make lots of safes roughly +150km around the gate
2. Warp to them at a hundred km
3. Land on bomber at 0.

This is eve, why are you not in a drake?
Welcome to EVE online, here's your rubix cube, go F*** yourself ♥
Tess La'Coil
Messerschmitt Vertrieb und Logistik
#14 - 2012-01-16 11:38:07 UTC
Just gonna go out on a limb here, but why are you orbiting with MWD on? I'm not an inty pilot, so I might be very wrong here.

Afaik it screws with your mass. And thus effectively wrecking your inertia/align speed. I'd turn of the MWD until you've aligned directly towards where you last saw the bomber and then activate it. A bomber in stealth won't go any faster than about 200-300ms.. so you should be able to guess the distance to knock him from cloak, lock and point. After all, to get a bomb sailing towards you, he'd have to have been aligned directly at you. And will be trying to get into warp as fast as possible after that. And with a bit of luck getting him out of cloak also gets you the possibility to bump him, and that way denying his warp while you lock before getting to optimal again.

Though.. if he's actually a smart bomber.. he'll have warped to a +150km around the gate so you can't do that. Best tactic for that is to actually place a BM right behind you... basically making it like this:

Bookmark...150km...you+gate...30km..BOMB...SBpilot

Like this he can align towards you, while also getting directly in line towards the BM. And just after releasing bomb, warp to BM.

If I recall correctly bombs aren't affected by warp, I don't recall seeing this changed.
Someone once said I was a muppet. If that's so, I'm quite sure the Swedish Chef is my brother. 
Mr Bigwinky
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#15 - 2012-01-16 11:47:37 UTC
Tess La'Coil wrote:
Just gonna go out on a limb here, but why are you orbiting with MWD on? I'm not an inty pilot, so I might be very wrong here.


erm...

Lyris Nairn wrote:
I am orbiting the gate at 2,500 with my MicroWarpdrive off

Welcome to EVE online, here's your rubix cube, go F*** yourself ♥
Tess La'Coil
Messerschmitt Vertrieb und Logistik
#16 - 2012-01-16 12:24:16 UTC
Mr Bigwinky wrote:

erm...

Oh.. right, hehe.
Someone once said I was a muppet. If that's so, I'm quite sure the Swedish Chef is my brother. 
Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local
Break-A-Wish Foundation
#17 - 2012-01-16 16:02:07 UTC
Rifters with microwarpdrives? You nullsec folks have strange ways and I don't understand them.
March rabbit
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#18 - 2012-01-16 16:21:56 UTC
Lyris Nairn wrote:

Stasis Webifier I
Warp Scrambler I

this is what i would replace first. You don't need it anyway to catch bomber.
warp disruptor T2 + sensor booster (w/ targeting range or scan resolution).
- warp disruptor (up to 24km of point)
- sensor booster to lock SB so it can't cloak back.

Not sure it will work anyway tho =)

Maybe track warped out SB to detect object it warped too. If pilot is stupid or lazy he can use static object. So you can get him there. Once i caught Sb gang after attack this way. Thanks to my n00bness i killed only 1 of them.... Still wondering if i could kill more....

BTW: SB is carrying only 3-4 bombs and each of bomb is like cruiser by material requirements... They really love you =)

The Mittani: "the inappropriate drunked joke"

Lyris Nairn
Perkone
Caldari State
#19 - 2012-01-16 16:30:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Lyris Nairn
Uppsy Daisy wrote:
For some reason I find this absolutely hilarious.

The Goon Diplomat, whose stated mission is to make everyone else's experience of the game as miserable as possible, comes to the public forums asking for help.

And the pubbies help!

Oh the irony...Shocked

First, I am not a Diplomat for my Alliance or Coalition;
Second, my stated mission is to be everyone's space friend.

e: I personally think it's a good thing that everyone in this thread (with the exception of yourself) made no comment at all about my affiliation or filtered their comments because of it.

Sky Captain of Your Heart

Reddit: lyris_nairn Skype: lyris.nairn Twitter: @lyris_nairn

Lyris Nairn
Perkone
Caldari State
#20 - 2012-01-16 16:32:51 UTC
Vimsy Vortis wrote:
Rifters with microwarpdrives? You nullsec folks have strange ways and I don't understand them.

It's a newbee tackle fit, meant for brand new players to get involved in fleet engagements.

Sky Captain of Your Heart

Reddit: lyris_nairn Skype: lyris.nairn Twitter: @lyris_nairn

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