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Succubus, Phantasm, and the Nightmare just me or do they seem a little under the weather?
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Dalts
Out of Focus
Odin's Call
#41 - 2012-01-17 00:35:40 UTC
Another low on the Succubus so you could fit for 240dps overheated with a neut as well and 8.5k EHP would be nice, though to get it to fit PG wise you'd still be limited to an AB which sucks. As it is your tank and gank are just fighting each other too much in the lows with only 2 slots, and as mentioned you are slow as hell with no room to fit nanos.
Rel'k Bloodlor
Federation Front Line Report
Federation Front Line
#42 - 2012-01-17 02:42:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Rel'k Bloodlor
Fun fact did you'll know that back in the day they were a EM missile and laser armour tank ship? They got the first pie ship bump back one the rest were still turds. So Its funny that they bumped all the other pie ships and set them a little above the Sansha's ships. I have been flying them sense I started, I used horrible phantasm fit to camp a COSMOS site in the Deltole region as a newb to make my millions because missions were for chumps. Your Input on PvP uses is just showing me that I would be better spending my cash on more and better ships for that.


But after thinking about it may be I should be looking to get a Phantasm fit for PvE. Its extra highs and plentiful mids could be used for a scanning/mag/radar ship. So that's the direction I'll be taking my trials on sisi. Feel free to post more PvP fits but as of now I'm just going to try and find a way to make this work for low sec exploration instead, though I doubt it will ever equal a Gila it may prove to be faster for smash and grab stuff.

I wanted to paint my space ship red, but I couldn't find enough goats. 
Skelee VI
Swamp Panthers
Bog Brotherhood
#43 - 2012-01-17 15:21:12 UTC
Maybe some of you should actually get your skills up before flying these ships.
I have maxed lazer skills and let me tell you makes a big difference. AWU to 5 helps a lot too
However, I only fly the phanatasm in certain situations, small gang stuff.
The succubus, I haven't flown in a long time. May have to bring it back.
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
#44 - 2012-01-17 16:37:29 UTC
Skelee VI wrote:
Maybe some of you should actually get your skills up before flying these ships.
I have maxed lazer skills and let me tell you makes a big difference. AWU to 5 helps a lot too
However, I only fly the phanatasm in certain situations, small gang stuff.
The succubus, I haven't flown in a long time. May have to bring it back.

I have near-perfect skills for all frigates, including the Succubus, and very good skills for the Phantasm. I have flown both of them, along with other "similar purpose" alternatives like assault frigates, Dramiel, Daredevil (in the Succubus' case) and Harbinger, Hurricane, and I plan to fly Omen Navy Issue soon (in the Phantasm's case). The Sansha ships just feel like they have the right idea, but just lack that punch they need to make them excel in their field.

Accidentally The Whole Frigate - For-newbies blog (currently on pause)
Liang Nuren
No Salvation
Divine Damnation
#45 - 2012-01-17 17:20:57 UTC
Skelee VI wrote:
Maybe some of you should actually get your skills up before flying these ships.
I have maxed lazer skills and let me tell you makes a big difference. AWU to 5 helps a lot too
However, I only fly the phanatasm in certain situations, small gang stuff.
The succubus, I haven't flown in a long time. May have to bring it back.


I have near perfect skills for all sub capital ships ( http://eveboard.com/pilot/Liang_Nuren ). But hey keep on telling me how I'm not skilled to fly Sansha ships!

-Liang

I'm an idiot, don't mind me.
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
#46 - 2012-01-17 17:26:38 UTC
Liang Nuren wrote:
Skelee VI wrote:
Maybe some of you should actually get your skills up before flying these ships.
I have maxed lazer skills and let me tell you makes a big difference. AWU to 5 helps a lot too
However, I only fly the phanatasm in certain situations, small gang stuff.
The succubus, I haven't flown in a long time. May have to bring it back.


I have near perfect skills for all sub capital ships ( http://eveboard.com/pilot/Liang_Nuren ). But hey keep on telling me how I'm not skilled to fly Sansha ships!

-Liang

Stop mocking me with your better skills.

Accidentally The Whole Frigate - For-newbies blog (currently on pause)
Liang Nuren
No Salvation
Divine Damnation
#47 - 2012-01-17 18:04:35 UTC
Petrus Blackshell wrote:
Liang Nuren wrote:
Skelee VI wrote:
Maybe some of you should actually get your skills up before flying these ships.
I have maxed lazer skills and let me tell you makes a big difference. AWU to 5 helps a lot too
However, I only fly the phanatasm in certain situations, small gang stuff.
The succubus, I haven't flown in a long time. May have to bring it back.


I have near perfect skills for all sub capital ships ( http://eveboard.com/pilot/Liang_Nuren ). But hey keep on telling me how I'm not skilled to fly Sansha ships!

-Liang

Stop mocking me with your better skills.


Hey bro when are you swinging back by Ama? I checked out the fraps of last time but it just wasn't really worth putting into any videos. We should schedule a T1 frig royal rumble with you guys - it'd be fun!

-Liang

I'm an idiot, don't mind me.
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
#48 - 2012-01-17 18:10:34 UTC
Liang Nuren wrote:
Petrus Blackshell wrote:
Liang Nuren wrote:
Skelee VI wrote:
Maybe some of you should actually get your skills up before flying these ships.
I have maxed lazer skills and let me tell you makes a big difference. AWU to 5 helps a lot too
However, I only fly the phanatasm in certain situations, small gang stuff.
The succubus, I haven't flown in a long time. May have to bring it back.


I have near perfect skills for all sub capital ships ( http://eveboard.com/pilot/Liang_Nuren ). But hey keep on telling me how I'm not skilled to fly Sansha ships!

-Liang

Stop mocking me with your better skills.


Hey bro when are you swinging back by Ama? I checked out the fraps of last time but it just wasn't really worth putting into any videos. We should schedule a T1 frig royal rumble with you guys - it'd be fun!

-Liang

We were around yesterday and I learned that I should not FC recons as if they were bigger frigates. I don't think we have enough frequently active members for a "royal rumble" but we'll see. I'll get that Harpy of yours yet.

Accidentally The Whole Frigate - For-newbies blog (currently on pause)
Mr Floydy
Questionable Ethics.
Ministry of Inappropriate Footwork
#49 - 2012-01-17 19:54:33 UTC
Skelee VI wrote:
Maybe some of you should actually get your skills up before flying these ships.
I have maxed lazer skills and let me tell you makes a big difference. AWU to 5 helps a lot too
However, I only fly the phanatasm in certain situations, small gang stuff.
The succubus, I haven't flown in a long time. May have to bring it back.

Having seen how bad your fit was.... lol

Amarr/Caldari BS5, T2 tachyons.... All gunnery at 5 apart from Trajectory Analysis (lol lasers) and Individual weapon specs, which are at 4.
Silas Shaw
Coffee Hub
#50 - 2012-01-17 21:53:42 UTC
So... if Sansha ship are all about lasers and active shields...

5% damage per level, 10% cap injector boost amount per level?

Maybe?

Silas
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
#51 - 2012-01-17 21:55:43 UTC
Silas Shaw wrote:
So... if Sansha ship are all about lasers and active shields...

5% damage per level, 10% cap injector boost amount per level?

Maybe?

Silas

Where'd you get the active shields out of? They don't get shield resist bonuses or shield boost bonuses, and they use lasers, which use cap. That sounds like "shield buffer" to me, since their low slots can't support armor tanks.

Accidentally The Whole Frigate - For-newbies blog (currently on pause)
Jude Lloyd
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#52 - 2012-01-17 23:46:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Jude Lloyd
Heres an odd Succubus fit I've been trying out a bit -

http://judelloyd.griefwatch.net/index.php?p=details&kill=2493

You have to copy paste as usual.

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Barbie D0ll
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#53 - 2012-01-18 03:34:04 UTC
a 20% cap use per level for lasers would work with adding a 5th turret, just needs a little bit more pg
or better yet add the 20% cap use bonus and the 5th turret slot while keeping everything else the same Twisted
unfortunately i see it as the only way for that ship to be used in PVP as an overbonused boat, and in PVE it is barely competetive with other race's ships. the mach, vargur, tengu are all seen in amarr space and as far as i can see are also USED MORE than the nightmare.

the nightmare has only 2 places because it is a bit underpowered, in incursion fleets and missioning in Amarr space, and just having one is hanging a target on your head because of the base cost of the hull being in the 1 bil range nowdays ( on both ends of suppy and demand) means its a target for gankers wanting to harvest tears.
Elistea
BLUE Regiment.
#54 - 2012-01-18 12:17:29 UTC
It makes me sad that one of best looking ships in game is completely unsused and for it's price... well... useless.
Cynabal wins an all levels, even with damage which makes no sense since lazors should have cca 20% more base dmg.

I would rly like to see it buffed.
Same thing goes for succubus. Even after dramiel's nerf it's still worse.
Kristoffon Ellecon
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#55 - 2012-01-18 14:51:27 UTC
Idk about the others but I have wet dreams about the nightmare.

Go to http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Player_videos

Watch DHB Wildcat's Burning Eve 5 and 6.

Agree with me.
Skelee VI
Swamp Panthers
Bog Brotherhood
#56 - 2012-01-18 17:15:12 UTC
want a nightmare in a nightmare. An old corpmate of mine snagged 2 in dramiel while waiting for support! LOL

http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=12167264

PS: what do cap skills have to do with phantasm or succubus!

Found a couple old fits:

[Succubus, vamp]
Damage Control II
Heat Sink II

Catalyzed Cold-Gas I Arcjet Thrusters
Medium F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction
J5b Phased Prototype Warp Scrambler I
X5 Prototype I Engine Enervator

Medium Pulse Laser II, Conflagration S
Medium Pulse Laser II, Conflagration S
E5 Prototype Energy Vampire
E5 Prototype Energy Vampire

Small Ancillary Current Router I
Small Core Defence Field Extender I
Small Core Defence Field Extender I
______________________________

[Phantasm, my fanta]
Damage Control II
Heat Sink II
Heat Sink II

Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive
Warp Disruptor II
Small Capacitor Booster II, Navy Cap Booster 200
Invulnerability Field II

Heavy Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M
Small Nosferatu II
Medium Energy Neutralizer II

Medium Ancillary Current Router I
Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
Medium Core Defence Field Extender I


Hornet EC-300 x1
Hornet EC-300 x1
Hornet EC-300 x1
Julius Priscus
#57 - 2012-02-01 20:02:54 UTC
Skelee VI wrote:
want a nightmare in a nightmare. An old corpmate of mine snagged 2 in dramiel while waiting for support! LOL

http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=12167264




lol cpr's on a shield boosting ship.
Guillame Herschel
Buffalo Soldiers
#58 - 2012-02-01 22:38:32 UTC
King Rothgar wrote:
Or you could buy a maelstrom. It has capless guns, tanks just as well and has better tracking.

Regardless, I've looked at the sansha ships and they are pretty underwhelming. Compared to any of the faction/t2 stuff, they are neither terribly good nor do anything interesting. They are pure gank and tank ships that lack any real advantage over their navy/t2 counterparts. It's not that they suck, a phantasm is certainly a match for a navy omen for example. The problem is it's exactly that, a match. The phantasm is nothing more than a shield tanked navy omen. It doesn't even have the usual speed/agility advantages you'd expect from a shield tanker. The same can be said for the succubus and the nightmare.


The Phantasm got a special nerf all its own a year or so ago, after they had buffed all the Pirate ships to their present levels on a previous expansion, Apocrypha or Dominion, I think. The Succubus never really was all that after the buff and still isn't. But the Phantasm was pretty darn good after the original Pirate buff, but still not as OP as the Cynabal was back then. They took away some HP, speed, and shield regen, I think. Not sure why, since it was still only a little better than a Navy Omen.
Rel'k Bloodlor
Federation Front Line Report
Federation Front Line
#59 - 2012-02-02 06:07:21 UTC
Ok quick boost idea.

Add 2 missile launcher slots and a little bit of CPU and Power Grid to use them with on all there hulls.

Add 5 M3 drone bay and 5bdw to the succubus.

If there sposta be the faction of MAX DAMAGE!! then atleast make it so they can bring all there hi-slots to bear ageanst the enemy!

Even just the 2 added unbonused missile slots, fitting, and the one drone to the succubus would go a long way twords that goal.

I wanted to paint my space ship red, but I couldn't find enough goats. 
Julius Priscus
#60 - 2012-02-02 10:48:14 UTC
Any boost to the nightmare will make my main extremely happy in the pants.