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Succubus, Phantasm, and the Nightmare just me or do they seem a little under the weather?
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Rel'k Bloodlor
Federation Front Line Report
Federation Front Line
#1 - 2012-01-16 02:17:59 UTC
I still use Phantasms every once and a wile but for its price and requirements I feel I'm always just better of shield tanking a harrbi. Any one got any advice to breath new life in to this hull? I flyed them pulse form 09' to now should I be trying beams on them? haven't got a Nightmare yet, probably wont for some time as I have other goals in mind. Tho there price is high so it must be loved. And lastly the Succubus I couldn't even find a fit I wanted to undock.Ugh

So any tips or tricks?

I wanted to paint my space ship red, but I couldn't find enough goats. 
1-Up Mushroom
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#2 - 2012-01-16 02:25:21 UTC
Fool, Alphatasm..Succibimine...
[Phantasm, Alphatasm]
Gyrostabilizer II
Damage Control II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II

10MN MicroWarpdrive II
Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
Invulnerability Field II
Invulnerability Field II
Republic Fleet Warp Disruptor

720mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP M
720mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP M
720mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP M
[empty high slot]
[empty high slot]

Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
Medium Core Defence Field Extender I
Medium Core Defence Field Extender I

[Succubus, Succibimine]
Co-Processor II
Co-Processor II

1MN Afterburner II
Small Shield Extender II
Small Shield Extender II
Small Shield Extender II

Miner II
Miner II
[empty high slot]
[empty high slot]

Small Cargohold Optimization I
Small Cargohold Optimization I
Small Cargohold Optimization I


5 Senses In A Person... 4 Seasons In A Year... 3 Colors In A Stoplight... 2 Poles On The Earth... ONLY 1-UP MUSHROOM!!!  If You Like My Sig, Like Me!   Remember EVE is EVErything!
Roosterton
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#3 - 2012-01-16 02:27:46 UTC
They're pointless. They've been surpassed by other pirate factions in every way. (EHP, DPS, Speed)
Rel'k Bloodlor
Federation Front Line Report
Federation Front Line
#4 - 2012-01-16 02:28:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Rel'k Bloodlor
Thanx but has no projectile skills as they are Minnitard and barbarous.
Also mining makes me sleepy.



I know, I know but I want to like and use them, even if its not 100% the best. I'll be honest its the googlie eyes.

I wanted to paint my space ship red, but I couldn't find enough goats. 
Goose99
#5 - 2012-01-16 02:33:20 UTC
Trade it in for a nice Cynnabal. Winmatar Wins.Big smile
Cyzlaki
Strategic Exploration and Development Corp
Silent Company
#6 - 2012-01-16 02:34:35 UTC
These are old ships and have been replaced
Rel'k Bloodlor
Federation Front Line Report
Federation Front Line
#7 - 2012-01-16 02:37:14 UTC
But CAN some thing be done with these neat looking space shrimp? Im going to just fly some to there doom any way. looking for "not almost nano harrbi" fits.

I wanted to paint my space ship red, but I couldn't find enough goats. 
Roosterton
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#8 - 2012-01-16 02:38:14 UTC
Rel'k Bloodlor wrote:
But CAN some thing be done with these neat looking space shrimp? Im going to just fly some to there doom any way. looking for "not almost nano harrbi" fits.


In all seriousness, the Nightmare can put up a nasty active shield tank if you have a couple billion to spend. I don't really see a viable use for the Phantasm or Succubus, though, other than getting more people to engage you.
Aisha's Vengence
#9 - 2012-01-16 02:39:43 UTC
My Talos.
Rel'k Bloodlor
Federation Front Line Report
Federation Front Line
#10 - 2012-01-16 02:43:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Rel'k Bloodlor
Roosterton wrote:
Rel'k Bloodlor wrote:
But CAN some thing be done with these neat looking space shrimp? Im going to just fly some to there doom any way. looking for "not almost nano harrbi" fits.


In all seriousness, the Nightmare can put up a nasty active shield tank if you have a couple billion to spend. I don't really see a viable use for the Phantasm or Succubus, though, other than getting more people to engage you.




Bait angle could be fun. Got a fit handy? Im stuck with no acsess to a fitting tool or EvE..

I wanted to paint my space ship red, but I couldn't find enough goats. 
Roosterton
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#11 - 2012-01-16 02:58:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Roosterton
Rel'k Bloodlor wrote:
Roosterton wrote:
Rel'k Bloodlor wrote:
But CAN some thing be done with these neat looking space shrimp? Im going to just fly some to there doom any way. looking for "not almost nano harrbi" fits.


In all seriousness, the Nightmare can put up a nasty active shield tank if you have a couple billion to spend. I don't really see a viable use for the Phantasm or Succubus, though, other than getting more people to engage you.




Bait angle could be fun. Got a fit handy? Im stuck with no acsess to a fitting tool or EvE..


[Nightmare, Highsec station games]
Damage Control II
Imperial Navy Heat Sink
Imperial Navy Heat Sink
Imperial Navy Heat Sink
Tracking Enhancer II

X-Large Shield Booster II
Invulnerability Field II
Invulnerability Field II
Shield Boost Amplifier II
Shield Boost Amplifier II
Heavy Capacitor Booster II, Navy Cap Booster 800
Warp Scrambler II

Mega Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency L
Mega Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency L
Mega Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency L
Mega Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency L
Heavy Nosferatu II
Heavy Nosferatu II

Large Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer II
Large Core Defence Operational Solidifier I
Large Core Defence Operational Solidifier I


Hammerhead II x5

Has cap issues, but can burst tank 1032 DPS (1478 w/heated tank) while dishing out 1127 of its own. Of course, the moment you run out of cap boosters, you're dead.

If you decide to spend some more cash on a crystal set and use standard blue pill, the burst tank skyrockets to 1852 or 2600 w/heat. Throw in a Tengu providing siege warfare links, and your tank will be a staggering 2839 DPS or 4094 if you heat. And finally, upgrade the shield mods to X-type and CN invulns, and you'll be at...

*drumroll*

6758, 10554 with heat. Of course, due to how horrible the cap situation is, you're not going to keep that up for very long, but certainly long enough to do your damage and/or wait for help to arrive. Of course, by this point you could probably buy a couple carriers to perform the same role for better, so meh.

(Experts are calling this an "EFT Warrior.")
King Rothgar
Deadly Solutions
#12 - 2012-01-16 04:58:44 UTC
Or you could buy a maelstrom. It has capless guns, tanks just as well and has better tracking.

Regardless, I've looked at the sansha ships and they are pretty underwhelming. Compared to any of the faction/t2 stuff, they are neither terribly good nor do anything interesting. They are pure gank and tank ships that lack any real advantage over their navy/t2 counterparts. It's not that they suck, a phantasm is certainly a match for a navy omen for example. The problem is it's exactly that, a match. The phantasm is nothing more than a shield tanked navy omen. It doesn't even have the usual speed/agility advantages you'd expect from a shield tanker. The same can be said for the succubus and the nightmare.

[u]Fireworks and snowballs are great, but what I really want is a corpse launcher.[/u]
Roosterton
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#13 - 2012-01-16 05:07:43 UTC
Quote:
Or you could buy a maelstrom. It has capless guns, tanks just as well and has better tracking.


He wanted bait. Who would pass up attacking a Nightmare?

Also, Nightmare's vertical, has spikes, better optimal, and better DPS. It's also got 100m3 more of cargospace, which is very important when active tanking. Also, Nightmare has a *slightly* better burst tank, and improved base capacitor to compensate for needing to use lasers.

Is it worth the hilarious pricetag? No, probably not, but it's not quite as obsolete as the Phantasm/Succubus are, imo.
Admiral Pelleon
White Shadow Imperium
#14 - 2012-01-16 07:18:09 UTC
I love flying the phantasm, and back in 2009-2010 I was on a crusade for CCP to make it more competitive. Apparently they have more important things to be doing than game balance. Cross trained winmatar, fly AC boats. Life is just better this way.

Those who cannot keep up will be left behind, to watch from a distance. And those who stand in our way will not watch at all.
Trinkets friend
Sudden Buggery
Sending Thots And Players
#15 - 2012-01-16 09:33:22 UTC
The Succubus can be a nasty ship for 1 v 1 frig combat vs the right foe.

[Succubus, Slutty Bus]

Dual Light Pulse Laser II, Conflagration S
Dual Light Pulse Laser II, Conflagration S
Small Nosferatu II
Small Nosferatu II

Medium Shield Extender II
Medium Shield Extender II
1MN MicroWarpdrive II
Warp Scrambler II

Micro Auxiliary Power Core II
Micro Auxiliary Power Core II

Small Core Defence Field Extender I
Small Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer II
Small Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer II


8.5k EHP, 150 DPS. Could be worse.

~~ Localectomy Blog ~~
CooganV3
Clint Eastwood Appreciation Society
#16 - 2012-01-16 09:54:36 UTC
Might just be me but the pirate faction ships are unbalanced in the sense that Gallente/Minmatar have 2 ships to choose from with pirate factions in each class of ship.
Taking the backstory with the races into account, it seems that there is some racism going on here on CCPs part :P
Gall/Min vs Amarr/Cald

Quote:
Frigates
Cruor - Amarr/Minmatar
Daredevil - Gallente/Minmatar
Dramiel - Gallente/Minmatar
Succubus - Amarr/Caldari
Worm - Caldari/Gallente

Cruisers
Ashimmu - Amarr/Minmatar
Cynabal - Gallente/Minmatar
Gila - Caldari/Gallente
Phantasm - Amarr/Caldari
Vigilant - Gallente/Minmatar

Battleships
Bhaalgorn - Amarr/Minmatar
Nightmare - Amarr/Caldari
Rattlesnake - Caldari/Gallente
Machariel - Gallente/Minmatar
Vindicator - Gallente/Minmatar


In each class, there are 2x Gal/Min ships to choose from.

So to the point...

CCP, please create new Amarr/Caldari faction Pirate ships that are not out of date and have some use to balance this out.
Perhaps something that is useful/balanced/equivalent with the other ships
?
As an idea, maybe this can be fixed along with the much talked about fixes to FW !
Liang Nuren
No Salvation
Divine Damnation
#17 - 2012-01-16 10:14:26 UTC
Roosterton wrote:
Rel'k Bloodlor wrote:
But CAN some thing be done with these neat looking space shrimp? Im going to just fly some to there doom any way. looking for "not almost nano harrbi" fits.


In all seriousness, the Nightmare can put up a nasty active shield tank if you have a couple billion to spend. I don't really see a viable use for the Phantasm or Succubus, though, other than getting more people to engage you.


Yeah I found the cap on the Phantasm and Succubus just didn't support an active tank. It just didn't seem possible to pull off with the guns + MWD sucking your capacitor dry. Hell - the Phantasm is so bad for cap that its kinda hard to justify invulns most of the time. :|

-Liang

I'm an idiot, don't mind me.
Tsubutai
Perkone
Caldari State
#18 - 2012-01-16 10:21:29 UTC
The Nightmare has its uses, not least in pve. The succubus and phantasm are both just bad.
Rel'k Bloodlor
Federation Front Line Report
Federation Front Line
#19 - 2012-01-16 10:29:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Rel'k Bloodlor
Ill give some of these fits a couple of run's on the test server!!

The nightmare is cool looking, but In a group of ships that I need way more support skills for.


Ya minni and gal getting 2 hulls is bonk, not like there isn't plenty of groups that could be the missing pear up * cough rougedrones/Equilibrium of Mankind/Mercenaries/The Seven cough*

I wanted to paint my space ship red, but I couldn't find enough goats. 
Mr Floydy
Questionable Ethics.
Ministry of Inappropriate Footwork
#20 - 2012-01-16 13:40:30 UTC
The Nightmare is a nice ship, but the other 2 are just plain useless. I fly a Phantasm occasionally when doing level 3s for fun with a rookie mate, but not because it is good at them - it's just nice to fly something different, plus it looks good.

I'm pretty certain from memory that the Phantasm has one less slot than all the other Faction Cruisers, it's also tight to fit, has a weak cap and is slower than a navy omen? Not really bothered looking at the succubus at all...
I'd love to see them get a bit of a boost. If the Phantasm had a nice speed boost (even if agility didn't change) it could atleast be useful for a bit of nano/kiting for Amarr pilots in shield gangs :)
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