Crime & Punishment

Basically you can buy tons of ISK/items from any website you want as long as you don't acquire the bought ISK/items in-game, you don't violate the TOS or disturb the gameplay in anyway.

I'm not blackmailing them for buying ISK/items, I'm blackmailing them for cheating in-game.

However the question remains - does it matter for what reason, where or how I ransom/blackmail a real person? I think not - it's like Lemok Sonji wrote, blackmail is blackmail, ransom is ransom regardless where or for what reason I do it. It's not the reason or location that makes it a extortion - it's the act itself that is illegal.
Doesn't matter if I extort ISK or real money from someone or for what reason - "Pay or I'll pod you" or "Pay or I'll report you" both are real extortions. Heck, even the try chargeable.

Doesn't matter if CCP allows one over the other - they can not legalize an illegal action thru their TOS, it doesn't matter if it's common use or not - it remains a criminal act in regards of law.

But without a suitor - no suit ^^


P.S. ^^ = 2 eye brows. It's like 0.o or ^o^ or ^_^

Means all actions within the game are part of the game? Not real and just for fun, right?

If so then nothing would be wrong if I blackmail other people in-game for things they did in-game. But sadly that's not always the case otherwise I would already have some fun with cheaters ^^

It's not even got anything to do with 'real life' or 'out of game'.

Extorting by threat of petitioning CCP will risk the loss of your accounts. Find a way to extort them in-game OR just report them to CCP. I don't see how people can't understand this.

He didn't purchase anything - all items in game are property of CCP. You can not sell or buy something that's not yours. The RMTs pay for the service of the item transfer within the game - without that in-game transfer nothing happens - it's that simple.

What if my claim to have this list is just false and I don't really know if someone RMTed? Simple - it doesn't matter - if I blackmail someone it doesn't matter for what I extort him - for a real reason or not.

The whole out-of-game thing is nonsense - the ISK/items are in-game and even may be acquired in full compliance with the TOS (e.g. by chinese grinders ^^) there is no out-of-game ISK/item. Regardless if I blackmail the RMTs for ISK or not - it has no impact to the game.

Sure from the moral aspect I should straight report every one on that list but I would just ran rampart if I see the same person still in game just because CCP don't want to lose another valuable customer. I'm not an MMO noob and know how such things usually handled. Maybe do you know the game Aion? The RMT rate in Aion is - tata - over 90% - does NCSoft know this? Yes, they do but they can't ban all without losing.

After seeing that list and if I had to guess about the RMT rate in EVE I would say at LEAST 50% (hey - still 40% less than in games without PLEX) - means it's very likely that 1/2 of you already involved in RMT. *Shhhhsssst* how can you say that! ^^

RMTs are part of the game - wanted or not, liked or not - they are there and there are plenty.

I think it's time to have some fun with them ^^ Oh, BTW - if you think those RMTs are mostly carebears - well, sadly not.

No, one of them is completely fake.

"Pay or my toon pods your toon"
"Pay or I report you to CCP"

See the difference?

One occurs in a make believe world by make believe characters and the other doesn't.

Illegal activities in this make believe world of eve online are permissible because it's not real - it's just a video game.
Illegal activities where there exists real entities such as you, your victim, and CCP isn't as permissible.

And that is the same thing mate.
Sugar coating won't make a stake into a chocolate. It's still a stake, just taste odd.

Blackmail about doing something out of the game (aka the cheating, buying ISK with real money), paying for "cheating" as you call it, is still forbidden.



Also, earlier you said you have info on people who bought ISK, personal info, which getting it, well, most likely violate a law or two.
Most likely if you sent them an out of game email, that would actually not break any CCP rule.


Anyway good luck in that.

They are completely different - eve online is a role playing game wherein you are playing thru a character - my character is called is called Tommy Shanks and he is a trader in a fictional place called new eden.

I myself am the father of a small child. I am a home owner. I drive a car to work. Sometimes I log onto the internet and play a spaceship video game called eve online wherein my toon flies a space ship and is a station trader. I drive a car to work, because I`m not Tommy Shanks I`m a human being living in the year 2012 and we just don`t have space travel in my part of this world just yet.

If Tommy Shanks dies in eve online I don`t have my wife call my insurance company to collect on my death - it`s just a role playing game.

Didn`t you ever see the afterschool special called "Mazes and Monsters" starring a young Tom Hanks? Please go rent it.

Not sure what you trying to tell me. My extortion wouldn't affect any real life either, no harm to the victim or anyone else in real life. Real life would be completely unaffected by my actions. Even the possible ban of my victims would be a result of the game's rules.

So again, where is the difference? If you think that the RMT bought something for real money outside the game then your assumption is wrong - he didn't bought anything, he paid for the service of item/ISK transfer within the game.

Or do you think that I use information from outside the game? What makes you sure that I do? My claim of having the list could be a lie - if so my extortion would based on a scam.

In the end an extortion is an extortion - while it's very unlikely that someone will sue the "Pay or pod" offender it doesn't mean that it's a legit act in regards of law. It simply isn't - you coerce another player - the victim has no choice - he can not say I don't want this - sure he always has the choice not to play EVE if he doesn't want be confronted with such a situation - the RMT has the same choice.


BTW: Some state that RMT is an out of game action - sure? If so why does the following work?
Let's say I pick on someone or a small corp. I create a new account and do massive RMT on that account. With that illegally obtained ISK I go and buy every single item, contract, etc. that this player/corp sales. Once I'm done I accuse myself from another account - and the whole ISK will be removed from the game - leaving my unknown victim with a negative ISK balance. What crab' mechanism is that? (I bet this already happened in EVE)

I don't know how effective this could be done - it was just an example of how RMT can be abused to harass someone and that the victim can't do anything about this. He doesn't even know what happened to him and has no chance to get his lost ISK or items back. I think that's to much influence for a cheater - I mean - the cheater cheats and someone else has to suffer from it due to the actions of CCP? That's wrong in my opinion.