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thanks again for a solid blaster buff. the null changes are promising.

as you may already know, medium rails cannot be fitted on most hybrid ships. you will probably notice in your metrics that medium rails are never used. they require lower cpu/pg reqs, and another 10-15% dps.

is there any news regarding medium rails?

So I'm not the only one who has noticed this problem.

I can fit a whole rack of heavy ion blasters on, say, a Moa (inb4 'lol moa'), have three mag stabs, LSE II, a MWD, etc. and have a probably not horrible ship. But I need to lose some already horribly low DPS and fit a grid mod if I want to have a fit similar with the 200mm rails (also T2), and I can't even fit 250s because they require far too much grid. They're not artillery. They don't do nearly enough... Anything to justify these insanely high fitting requirements (280 DPS, like 600-700 volley damage with my skills I think), and Caldari aren't exactly renowned for having splendid fitting resources compared to other factions, either. You have to sacrifice anything that'd make you worth being in fleet otherwise to fit weapons that offer nothing over any other weapon systems except range.

(Caracal and Cerberus IMO suffer from this lack of grid/cpu as well, and Gurista ships could use more CPU as well. Just throwing that out there.)

We should buff rails by giving all minmatar ships a 20% bounus to fall off, it's the CCP way to improving ship balancing in this game

all hail the minmatar

What's the problem?
200mm rail Thorax requires zero fitting rigs
200mm rail Moa requires one anciliary current router

[Thorax, 200mm Rail] Zero Fitting Rigs
Damage Control II
Tracking Enhancer II
Tracking Enhancer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Overdrive Injector System II

Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive
Large F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction
Warp Disruptor II

200mm Railgun II, Antimatter Charge M
200mm Railgun II, Antimatter Charge M
200mm Railgun II, Antimatter Charge M
200mm Railgun II, Antimatter Charge M
200mm Railgun II, Antimatter Charge M

Medium Core Defence Field Extender I
Medium Core Defence Field Extender I
Medium Core Defence Field Extender I


Hammerhead II x5


[Moa, 200mm rail] One Fitting Rig
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Tracking Enhancer II
Damage Control II

Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive
Large Shield Extender II
Invulnerability Field II
Warp Disruptor II

200mm Railgun II, Antimatter Charge M
200mm Railgun II, Antimatter Charge M
200mm Railgun II, Antimatter Charge M
200mm Railgun II, Antimatter Charge M
200mm Railgun II, Antimatter Charge M
Small Unstable Power Fluctuator I

Medium Ancillary Current Router I
Medium Core Defence Field Extender I
Medium Core Defence Field Extender I

Warrior II x 3

You're kidding, right?

You can fit a full rack of ion blaster cannons on a Moa without the need for any kind of grid mod whatsoever, and you can push over 400 DPS out of it. I think the raw number I get with my skills and stuff is 456. 200mm rails, the 'equivalent' if you could say of ions? You need to wreck the fit with a grid mod of some kind, and it will perform that much worse.

At least Gallente ships usually get a damage bonus for hybrids. Caldari hybrid ships don't even get that.

This is actually fair. The offset for longer range should be lower damage. Using un-bonused AM at a range 50% farther than bonused AM is fine.

The problem is with base damage.

Ever seen what medium beams are?

speed ,cap need etc?????? huh???? dumb liang follower go fly ctower those have the best dps*ehp , oh no speed , looks like it is no problem for u

yea i tried the rail Myrm. 425mm AC's outperform both rails and blasters on the Myrm (even with the null buff). im glad you had fun with the rail Brutix, but you cant really nano this beast (or the Astarte). the nano Cane does way more damage up close, is faster, same EHP, and projects damage almost as well.

my main issue is that medium rail fits really are not viable on armour-tanked boats other than the Proteus. Astarte and Brutix do just OK with paper-thin tanks and subpar speeds, but both are greatly outperformed by the Cane.



sure, but arties are way better. there's a REASON people fly arty Canes, arty Machariels, arty Nadoes, etc.



arties: superior alpha, heavy pulse with scorch: superior dps and damage projection, medium rails: ??


i wouldnt complain if large rails got a buff, but ive had really good experiences with the Mega and Domi in armour fleets. a 100EHP Mega projects almost 1K dps at around 50km, which is way more than a Baddon would at that range. and i hear the Rokh is a beast in nullsec.